The Irony Oremine

[TheSaint250]

Jesus Jfern you're a hack

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Cancel the internet guys, I think I just found peak InvisbleObama.

She's claimed that snipers were trying to shoot her, that she was treated like a slave and that she had the authority to remove Clinton from the ticket. Why is anyone even taking her word seriously?

[Mr. Smith]

She's claimed that snipers were trying to shoot her, that she was treated like a slave and that she had the authority to remove Clinton from the ticket. Why is anyone even taking her word seriously?

Sniper attacks? Hillary definitely knows something about that.

No matter how much to continue to dwell on Hillary Clinton, it doesn't change that Trump is doing a terrible job.

So you're just going to completely dodge the part about Hillary lying about snipers aren't you?

If you want to bring that up, we should also bring up Trump telling bald face lies on average six times a day.

Everything you don't want to hear is a "lie."

[they don't love you like i love you]

Now is really not the time to be making insane predictions

[White Trash]

What is wrong with you, BRTD?

Uh, I hate trashy loud noise that some call "music"?

[RINO Tom]

^ LOLOLOL.

[Kamala]

Azcactus is a gutter tier poster.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

In my mind, voting for a pro-choice candidate when there is a pro-life candidate in the race, makes you an accomplice to murder.  That could never be prosecuted, but that's how I feel.

I feel the same about Hillary. Anyone who voted for her out of the genuine belief that she'd be a good President as opposed to just not being Trump is by definition a very, very bad person.

[Mr. Smith]

Sorry Kal,

As one poster put in his signature:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

- Abraham Lincoln, 16th President

[Kamala]

Okay that is actually the most retarded thing I have ever heard!

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

You don't show us why these testimonies and evidence or false. There is nothing about your post that shows you to be anything short of absolutely delusional . I don't mean as in you have a weird sense of opinion, I mean as in you literally are wearing a tinfoil hat to make sure that George Soros and the liberal media don't infect your precious brain waves.

All your posts show us that you are a completely Psychopathic sh**tbag who spins a shockingly inexplicable amount of time in rapist apologia. You literally are the worst person to come across this form in a long long time, and that's saying a lot. begone you miserable excuse of a sub human being

Take a chill pill you angry little troll.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

- You can be racist to whites, saying you can’t is a tumblrite excuse for your bigotry and hatred.

Rip me

What a brave man, making such a bold statement ;(

Unpopular opinion: most AZ users (with the exclusion of Cactus and some others) are trash. I don’t understand the issue with you, like I’ve never gone after you, yet you show up randomly and jump on my case.

I think the heat makes the Arizona posters overly aggressive. They always seem to be enraged about something.

Whereas you're a dick just because.

Even though IceSpear constantly pisses on my WV family, I still find him inherently more interesting and pleasant than you or that other I-AZ avatar. You guys need to tone it down. Or sit on a cactus. Either one.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

- You can be racist to whites, saying you can’t is a tumblrite excuse for your bigotry and hatred.

Rip me

What a brave man, making such a bold statement ;(

Unpopular opinion: most AZ users (with the exclusion of Cactus and some others) are trash. I don’t understand the issue with you, like I’ve never gone after you, yet you show up randomly and jump on my case.

I think the heat makes the Arizona posters overly aggressive. They always seem to be enraged about something.

Whereas you're a dick just because.

Even though IceSpear constantly pisses on my WV family, I still find him inherently more interesting and pleasant than you or that other I-AZ avatar. You guys need to tone it down. Or sit on a cactus. Either one.

It's considered really lame to put a post addressed to you in these kinda threads. To me it signals you have no allies or friends to back you up.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Supporting an immoral ideology is a grave moral failing. To claim otherwise means to be fundamentally unserious about one's political beliefs.

Of course, everyone has their moral failings and we shouldn't be too quick to judge people for them, but I thought "terrible person" was pretty widely accepted forum hyperbole for someone who does something that's clearly bad and is unrepentant about it.

So, to be clear, if I regularly volunteer at homeless shelters and donate a large portion of my income to charity, but I oppose welfare legislation, then I’m a terrible person?

Yes, actually

That is some pretty terrible logic there.

[Mr. Smith]

I would also state that the idea that kids are sent to such programs just because they are "LGBT" is a canard and a copout. 

Parents are responsible for their childrens' sexual behavior.  What that means, quite honestly, is that teenagers under 18 aren't supposed to be having sex.  Any kind of sex.  Period.  Parents are responsible to control the sexual acting out of their teenagers, period. 

This may come as a shock to millenials, but that's the way it is.  Parents are responsible to curb their childrens' sexual activity.  I will say this:  If a teen is acting out sexually, and the only way to get that teen to stop is to sent him to a facility such as what is talked about in these articles, and the parents have the means to do so, then consider that what it is. 

Is the cure worse than the disease here?  Lots of folks complain about what they went through with medical procedures.  They didn't like the doctor or the hospital or the side effects of the meds, etc.  That they say they'd have been better off without the treatment is not necessarily so.

My daughter-in-law lives with the son I'm talking about, with us, and with our son, who was HER son that we adopted when their lives went sideways.  One of the conditions of her living with us is that she comply with her meds, which she's always bitching about.  Yes, her meds have side effects, but so does smoking spice, and Cannabis Psychosis is a real thing.  Yes, a psychotropic med may have contributed to seizures she suffers from, but what about the secret cocaine use that my son disclosed was a part of her life in past years?  (Shhhhhhhh.)  Her lot in life is not pleasant, but what she hates has kept her alive and kept her from not attempting suicide. 

Life, and its events, occur in a context.

I don't condone this sort of thing, but I will assure you that much of this stuff (whose legality is dubious) is a desperate measure taken (quite often) by desperate parents.

I have been a parent of a "troubled teen" (drugs, alcohol, and crime).  Aside from my concern for his life (he would have died of liver failure at 15 from drinking "shroom juice"), parents in our position have real concerns.  One is the concern for the civil liability we face for the actions of out-of-control teens.  We're on the hook for every stupid thing they do until they turn 18.  The other is concern for the rest of the family, especially when there are other kids at home; we are responsible for the harm the out-of-control sibling inflcts on other kids in the house.

Out of curiosity (sorry to hear about such  a non-ideal situation w/ your son) how was that resolved? Did you have him go to a troubled teen center?

No, I did not.  My wife and I didn't have that kind of money.  I would have been open to something like these programs if money were no object.

Our son was addicted to drugs, non-compliant with counseling, acting out in school to where I had him drop out before he was expelled, and outside of our control to where we were not able to stop him from his worst behaviors (and we tried), but still liable for his foolish actions while he was under 18.  And, yes, we went after him when he went out, got in between him and his criminal friends, worked with the school (knowing their whole goal was to kick him out) and even trying to get him into residential treatment. 

Here's the little kicker:  Unless your teenager is either (A) ordered by juvenile probation to a residential program, or (B) involuntarily committed by a court order to a mental health/substance abuse facility, a teenager, even one who is appropriate for treatment can give the middle finger to all concerned and refuse to enter treatment.  This is true even of Juvenile Probation programs; they can violate your kid, but the havoc between the violation report and actually re-taking the teenager can be limitless.  The law heaps responsibility on parents, but it provides them with amazingly few means to deal with situations gone sideways, and gives teens unbelievable "rights" to refuse interventions.

While I am skeptical of many of the treatment methods described in this articles, I also believe that many of the former inpatients of these programs aren't pure victims; they were teenagers who became beyond the control of their parents and who posed real problems for their parents.  Some of these teenagers acted in ways to where there was NEVER any kind of real peace in the home.  I know what that's about.  I remember the arguments I had with my wife where I would have to tell her to stop kidding herself.  Indeed,  my son didn't get any kind of recovery until, after being arrested as an adult, I persuaded the Court to require him to complete an inpatient program.  Once there, I insisted he go out of state to a long-term re-entry facility (which he hated at the time; he hooked up with some relapse-bound female in intensive treatment). 

I never seem to see these folks who have been sent, involuntarily, to these facilities, express any remorse for their behaviors that kept their homes in turmoil.  They paint a picture of parents who didn't care about them, magnified their misdeeds, were only interested in themselves, and presided over family dysfunction, and that may be true, but their own behavior was, very often, either the root of the dysfunction, or the catalyst that kept it going and intensifying.  Kids die in these programs, that's true, but kids die because they persuaded their parents to give them another chance to avoid a residential setting, and they spend the chance overdosing on drugs, driving drunk, etc.  Parents get most of the blame for what these kids do, and it's true that parents are responsible for kids until their 18, but teenagers are autonomous human beings that make decisions and act on them.  They have wills of their own and can carry their will out to varying extents. 

Parents are under a real gun to control their teenagers' behaviors, but many lack the effective resources to do so.  That rich parents have those resources and go to these extremes, I'm not going to criticize.  And I WOULD like to see some teen product of such a program actually voice some remorse for the damage THEY inflicted on their family, instead of whining about how their parents "threw them away", etc.  Not taking responsibility for one's own actions is a habit that can sometimes last a lifetime, if enabled enough.

This man should not be a parent.

At least he'll have the opportunity to, well you know, actually love and be loved enough to produce a child . Can't say that about you nor can I?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

This thread is retarded

[TheSaint250]

That's very naive.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

I wish I didn’t have to ignore some people :/

Will anything ever top this?

[Esteemed Jimmy]

I wish I didn’t have to ignore some people :/

Will anything ever top this?

Yes...

[Mr. Smith]

Probably, because he doesn't implicitly say the n-word enough times, so R voters are gonna throw him out.

Probably why he's retiring.

Shut up you racist.

Just because you and Saint and the other Atlas RINO's say it's not true doesn't make it so.

Burr is retiring anyway.
But seriously you’re stupid trolling is getting old.

That actually isn't trolling lol

You are stupid trolling tho

[IceSpear]

Probably, because he doesn't implicitly say the n-word enough times, so R voters are gonna throw him out.

Probably why he's retiring.

Shut up you racist.

Just because you and Saint and the other Atlas RINO's say it's not true doesn't make it so.

Burr is retiring anyway.
But seriously you’re stupid trolling is getting old.

That actually isn't trolling lol

You are stupid trolling tho

Not sure whether or not you realize I was mocking Greedo's poor grammar, lol.

[Mr. Smith]

Probably, because he doesn't implicitly say the n-word enough times, so R voters are gonna throw him out.

Probably why he's retiring.

Shut up you racist.

Just because you and Saint and the other Atlas RINO's say it's not true doesn't make it so.

Burr is retiring anyway.
But seriously you’re stupid trolling is getting old.

That actually isn't trolling lol

You are stupid trolling tho

Not sure whether or not you realize I was mocking Greedo's poor grammar, lol.

That's utterly beside the point.

[Virginiá]

Low-hanging fruit, but:

You and icespear should be banned for being awful trolls who post garbage.

edit: Damn it PNM I was literally just posting that.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Both of you beat me to the catch!

[IceSpear]

All 3 of you beat me as well, lol.