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« on: November 15, 2004, 05:59:23 pm »
« edited: November 15, 2004, 06:42:34 pm by Senator Texasgurl »

Upon the passage of this bill:

1. The regions of Atlasia shall have six decades to discuss, decide and implement the type of alternative, clean energy that suits their region the best.
1b. The federal government shall allocate sufficient funds to help the districts meet these goals.
2. If the deadline is not met the Federal Government will intervene and finish the job post haste only and only if the job hasnít been completed.
3. The regions of Atlasia shall be required to have back up sources of energy (i.e. Coal, nuclear energy) available and ready to be used.
† † A. The Federal Government has the power to prosecute any lapse in this policy
4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources if wanted and also have access to the back up sources.

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I'll introduce this now but we still need to pass a senate power act.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 06:25:57 pm »

1. The regions of Atlasia shall have six decades to discuss, decide and implement the type of alternative, clean energy that suits their region the best.

I recommend you open up federal funds for this research as our regions are too poor to budget it themselves.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 06:29:27 pm »

Better?
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2004, 06:36:23 pm »


4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources and also have access to the back up sources.

REQUIRED? Are you going to ask the Amish to wire their houses for clean energy? What if i want to use a diesel generator and create my own, non-clean power?

Seriously, this doesn't jive well with me.
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2004, 06:38:34 pm »


4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources and also have access to the back up sources.

REQUIRED? Are you going to ask the Amish to wire their houses for clean energy? What if i want to use a diesel generator and create my own, non-clean power?

Seriously, this doesn't jive well with me.
Way to take it out of context.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2004, 06:40:38 pm »


4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources and also have access to the back up sources.

REQUIRED? Are you going to ask the Amish to wire their houses for clean energy? What if i want to use a diesel generator and create my own, non-clean power?

Seriously, this doesn't jive well with me.
Way to take it out of context.

I suggest that you re-word it, so over-serious bureaucrats don't pester the Amish.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2004, 06:41:56 pm »

Perhaps it should be applied to all sources of major power generation, over a certain quantity of watts or something. Wouldn't want to crush Daniel's freedoms. I think, sadly, their choice of generation is not our responsibility, in the big picture there isn't enough independant generators to make a difference.

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2004, 06:48:32 pm »


4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources and also have access to the back up sources.

REQUIRED? Are you going to ask the Amish to wire their houses for clean energy? What if i want to use a diesel generator and create my own, non-clean power?

Seriously, this doesn't jive well with me.
Way to take it out of context.

Taking the law out of context is what makes lawyers rich. Smiley

Seriously, tho, this bill has some major problems due to lack of specificity, such as...

1) What constitutues an alternative source of energy?

2) What makes energy "clean" ?

3) The penalties under the law are not clearly specified.
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2004, 06:50:06 pm »


4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources and also have access to the back up sources.

REQUIRED? Are you going to ask the Amish to wire their houses for clean energy? What if i want to use a diesel generator and create my own, non-clean power?

Seriously, this doesn't jive well with me.
Way to take it out of context.

Taking the law out of context is what makes lawyers rich. Smiley

Seriously, tho, this bill has some major problems due to lack of specificity, such as...

1) What constitutues an alternative source of energy?

2) What makes energy "clean" ?

3) The penalties under the law are not clearly specified.
Whatever the regions decide?
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2004, 06:51:43 pm »

As far as penalties make a sugestion.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2004, 06:52:15 pm »


4. Every Atlasian citizen is required to receive energy from the new sources and also have access to the back up sources.


REQUIRED? Are you going to ask the Amish to wire their houses for clean energy? What if i want to use a diesel generator and create my own, non-clean power?

Seriously, this doesn't jive well with me.
Way to take it out of context.

Taking the law out of context is what makes lawyers rich. Smiley

Seriously, tho, this bill has some major problems due to lack of specificity, such as...

1) What constitutues an alternative source of energy?

2) What makes energy "clean" ?

3) The penalties under the law are not clearly specified.

The problem is when you give someone 60 years the technology may change, it is difficult to predict, however, I think a definition would be good, like "Any form of energy production that produces X watts of energy, with Y or less UNITS of pollution.

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2004, 06:58:03 pm »

This is the reason i posted this now was to get feedback.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2004, 08:00:51 pm »

Great idea, but we really should be more clear.
And why six decades?  Why not 3 or 2?
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2004, 09:35:46 pm »

Time frame is certainly negotiable.
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2004, 10:02:45 pm »

I had some ideas, and I just wanted to repost the whole shibang.

Definitions:

Clean Energy - A form of power generation that produces little to no pollution. Little meaning less than 5 tonnes of air pollution for yearly operation. (Currently the average Coal Plant produces something like 30-100 tonnes) This term also covers all renewable sources, and any future developments that meet these two criteria.

Hazardous or Non-Renewable Power - Nuclear, Oil, Gas, and Coal power production.

Renewable - (As of Oct. 2004) - Hydro, Wind, Solar, and Biomass.

Power Plant - Any structure that produces over 1000 Volts of electricity.

Small Generator - Equal to or less than 1000 Volts.

Sections

1. The regions of Atlasia shall have 25 years to discuss, decide and implement the type of alternative, clean energy that suits their region the best. A plan for the elimination or reduction of non-renewable of heavy pollutant power production must be drafted and ready for implementation.

1b. The federal government shall allocate sufficient funds to help the Regions meet these goals, providing that the plan is deemed feasible by the Senate.

2. If the deadline is not met the Federal Government will intervene and implement a Federal plan to reduce/eliminate hazardous power generation.

3. The regions of Atlasia shall be required to have back up sources of energy (i.e. Coal, nuclear energy) available and ready to be used.

3A. The Federal Government has the power to prosecute any lapse in this policy.

4. Any citizen is allowed to own his or her own independent small power generator of any make or model.


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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2004, 11:11:04 pm »

Seems better than mine. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2004, 03:16:40 am »

I hoppose this. And I thik senators should really stop puting forward new bills that will all be deemed unconstitutional, and work on constitutional ammendments first.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2004, 04:45:13 am »

I like some of Siege's ideas.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2004, 02:20:59 pm »

Texasgurl, in your original clause 2 refers to "districts" yet all the others to regions. I suggest consistency.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2004, 03:30:36 pm »

Well PPT JFK, I changed the term from District to Region because I thought it was a typo, district our the elected areas for Senators, and a Region is a state Government. A district has no power to make energy reforms, so I changed it. Sorry.

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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2004, 05:50:35 pm »

Well PPT JFK, I changed the term from District to Region because I thought it was a typo, district our the elected areas for Senators, and a Region is a state Government. A district has no power to make energy reforms, so I changed it. Sorry.

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Yes, I realised it was a mistake, that is why I pointed it out - it could create a serious loophole regarding government refusing to pay funding to the regions as the act did not require them to.

Am I to assume texasgurl is withdrawing her version and yours is the definitive one Siege?
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2004, 06:15:55 pm »

Well PPT JFK, I changed the term from District to Region because I thought it was a typo, district our the elected areas for Senators, and a Region is a state Government. A district has no power to make energy reforms, so I changed it. Sorry.

Siege

Yes, I realised it was a mistake, that is why I pointed it out - it could create a serious loophole regarding government refusing to pay funding to the regions as the act did not require them to.

Am I to assume texasgurl is withdrawing her version and yours is the definitive one Siege?

Well, that's up to her, but I think it is.

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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2004, 06:28:01 pm »

While I have some serious misgivings about this act, as a technical point you need to express the difference between small and large power plants in terms of Watts, not Volts.
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2004, 06:29:14 pm »

Well PPT JFK, I changed the term from District to Region because I thought it was a typo, district our the elected areas for Senators, and a Region is a state Government. A district has no power to make energy reforms, so I changed it. Sorry.

Siege

Yes, I realised it was a mistake, that is why I pointed it out - it could create a serious loophole regarding government refusing to pay funding to the regions as the act did not require them to.

Am I to assume texasgurl is withdrawing her version and yours is the definitive one Siege?
That is correct.
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2004, 03:42:55 pm »

Updated based on recommendations.

Definitions:

Clean Energy - A form of power generation that produces little to no pollution. Little meaning less than 5 tonnes of air pollution for yearly operation. (Currently the average Coal Plant produces something like 30-100 tonnes) This term also covers all renewable sources, and any future developments that meet these two criteria.

Hazardous or Non-Renewable Power - Nuclear, Oil, Gas, and Coal power production.

Renewable - (As of Oct. 2004) - Hydro, Wind, Solar, and Biomass.

Power Plant - Any structure that produces over 1000 Watts of electricity.

Small Generator - Equal to or less than 1000 Watts.

Sections

1. The regions of Atlasia shall have 25 years to discuss, decide and implement the type of alternative, clean energy that suits their region the best. A plan for the elimination or reduction of non-renewable of heavy pollutant power production must be drafted and ready for implementation.

1b. The federal government shall allocate sufficient funds to help the Regions meet these goals, providing that the plan is deemed feasible by the Senate.

2. If the deadline is not met the Federal Government will intervene and implement a Federal plan to reduce/eliminate hazardous power generation.

3. The regions of Atlasia shall be required to have back up sources of energy (i.e. Coal, nuclear energy) available and ready to be used.

3A. The Federal Government has the power to prosecute any lapse in this policy.

4. Any citizen is allowed to own his or her own independent small power generator of any make or model.


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