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« Reply #1275 on: September 19, 2011, 12:30:53 PM »
« edited: September 19, 2011, 12:56:38 PM by Sibboleth »

Of course it should be possible to work one out from the election.de maps. Just a case of drawing lines in roughly the right place.
In that case, be quick to screenshoot them all. You never know how long they'll keep them up.

As it happens...

edit: and is done. And saved away in two different places. huzzah.
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« Reply #1276 on: September 19, 2011, 12:41:26 PM »

And now for a fun fact. Because SPD and CDU continue to ridiculously run separate borough lists, there are a few overhang mandates.

Didn't know that the other parties don't.
Makes little sense for small parties, does it? Especially before the borough mergers...
Bizarre rule that, giving parties the choice. Another bizarre rule unique to Berlin is that the 5% and 3% thresholds apply to votes cast, not valid votes.
Apparently this cost the NPD representation in Neukölln.
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« Reply #1277 on: September 19, 2011, 03:36:09 PM »

Berlin party list map:

2011 (dark shade indicates a seat was gained from another party, light shade indicates a hold)



2006

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« Reply #1278 on: September 19, 2011, 03:43:19 PM »

Mitte-02 in the 2006 map should actually coloured purple because it was won by the Left.
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« Reply #1279 on: September 19, 2011, 04:18:30 PM »
« Edited: September 19, 2011, 04:22:47 PM by Stick it to the Man »

Mitte-02 in the 2006 map should actually coloured purple because it was won by the Left.

This is actually always the case, not just in 2006. Wink In fact, Mitte 2 is always won by the same person too (Carola Bluhm). Since free elections are being held there anyway. In all likelihood, she would have won there before 1990 too though. Tongue
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« Reply #1280 on: September 19, 2011, 04:24:48 PM »

Anyways, I suppose the question is... should I bother doing an FDP map? I also see that the Pirates have adopted orange as their colour, and so orange they shall have to be...
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« Reply #1281 on: September 19, 2011, 06:28:05 PM »

Also for the same reason, Klaus Wowereit is not actually elected after narrowly losing his constituency in Wilmersdorf (C-W 5). The SPD is not getting any list seats in that borough.
It doesn't matter though. You can be mayor without being on the council.

WTF Shocked
Is that already official?
I already knew that Wowereit lost his constituency.
But not even being a member of the Abgeordnetehaus?
That's harsh...
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« Reply #1282 on: September 20, 2011, 12:48:20 AM »

Anyways, I suppose the question is... should I bother doing an FDP map? I also see that the Pirates have adopted orange as their colour, and so orange they shall have to be...

Would an FDP map tell us anything?
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« Reply #1283 on: September 20, 2011, 01:57:29 AM »

Anyways, I suppose the question is... should I bother doing an FDP map? I also see that the Pirates have adopted orange as their colour, and so orange they shall have to be...

Would an FDP map tell us anything?

No, but we could look at the most yellow districts and laugh at them. Wink
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« Reply #1284 on: September 20, 2011, 08:06:26 AM »

Anyways, I suppose the question is... should I bother doing an FDP map? I also see that the Pirates have adopted orange as their colour, and so orange they shall have to be...

Would an FDP map tell us anything?

I gave this some thought this morning and decided that it almost certainly wouldn't. And I don't want to do an NPD map. Besides, six maps fits very well, so there we are.
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« Reply #1285 on: September 20, 2011, 08:17:28 AM »

Also for the same reason, Klaus Wowereit is not actually elected after narrowly losing his constituency in Wilmersdorf (C-W 5). The SPD is not getting any list seats in that borough.
It doesn't matter though. You can be mayor without being on the council.

WTF Shocked
Is that already official?
I already knew that Wowereit lost his constituency.
But not even being a member of the Abgeordnetehaus?
That's harsh...

Well, he gets in if/when one of the four directly elected Social Democrats from Charlottenburg resigns... Smiley
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« Reply #1286 on: September 20, 2011, 08:31:37 AM »

I've amused myself calculating (day+postal) results by postal voting precincts. Only Mitte borough done so far. I did include FDP and NPD.
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« Reply #1287 on: September 20, 2011, 08:37:57 AM »

Also for the same reason, Klaus Wowereit is not actually elected after narrowly losing his constituency in Wilmersdorf (C-W 5). The SPD is not getting any list seats in that borough.
It doesn't matter though. You can be mayor without being on the council.

WTF Shocked
Is that already official?
I already knew that Wowereit lost his constituency.
But not even being a member of the Abgeordnetehaus?
That's harsh...

Well, he gets in if/when one of the four directly elected Social Democrats from Charlottenburg resigns... Smiley

The ward he ran in was one of the SPD's worst in West Berlin in 2009, of course.

Anyways, keys and all worked out for the maps.
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« Reply #1288 on: September 20, 2011, 10:52:23 AM »


The absurdity of an electoral system in action:

- The constituency of Lichtenberg 1 has been wrongly called for the SPD. Instead, it is won by the candidate of the Left Party: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/spd-verliert-direktmandat/4628022.html

- That means that one person less is elected on the Left list, because of the extra direct seat. That's bad news for some guy on the Left party list, but a zero sum game for the party so far.
But now it is getting funny:

- As a result of loosing Lichtenberg 1, the SPD district list in Lichtenberg no longer has an overhang.

- So the SPD looses that overhang mandate.

- As a result of that, two compensatory seats (in contrast to Bundestag elections, overhang seats in Berlin are balanced by compensatory seats for the not overhanging lists to ensure exact proportional representation) fall away: One for the Greens, and one for the Left (!).

- So the new Berlin parliament is shrinking from 152 to 149 seats: One less each for SPD (overhang mandate), Greens and Left (compensatory seats).

- So the bottom line is: By winning Lichtenberg 1, the Left has a net loss of one seat.

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And if you don't understand that, it is not because of the flaws of the Berlin electoral system or my English writing skills, but is entirely your fault Smiley
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« Reply #1289 on: September 20, 2011, 01:21:31 PM »

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« Reply #1290 on: September 20, 2011, 01:39:27 PM »
« Edited: September 20, 2011, 01:46:12 PM by republicanism »

The working class suburbs of Spandau are some of the best wards for the Pirates in West Berlin? Would not have expected that.
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« Reply #1291 on: September 20, 2011, 03:13:22 PM »

Their vote in general looks (from the maps) to have been significantly more working class than expected. Meanwhile, the SPD map is (in part) something new; quite different to previous Berlin patterns over the past decade.
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« Reply #1292 on: September 20, 2011, 07:50:52 PM »



Where I'm at so far. Obviously this will take forever and a day, especially with other things to do.

Kind of impressionistic, but that's unavoidable at this scale.
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« Reply #1293 on: September 21, 2011, 12:55:37 PM »

Their vote in general looks (from the maps) to have been significantly more working class than expected.
That's because, while it is mostly something else entirely, there is an element of random protest vote to that map.
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« Reply #1294 on: September 21, 2011, 01:03:28 PM »

Their vote in general looks (from the maps) to have been significantly more working class than expected.
That's because, while it is mostly something else entirely, there is an element of random protest vote to that map.

Oh, sure. It's not at all surprising in retrospect. It actually makes a lot of sense; it's not as though there were many other options for protest voting in this election.
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« Reply #1295 on: September 21, 2011, 01:06:37 PM »

Their vote in general looks (from the maps) to have been significantly more working class than expected.
That's because, while it is mostly something else entirely, there is an element of random protest vote to that map.

Oh, sure. It's not at all surprising in retrospect. It actually makes a lot of sense; it's not as though there were many other options for protest voting in this election.
There weren't? Last I checked, there were thirteen such options on the ballot. Grin
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« Reply #1296 on: September 21, 2011, 01:38:26 PM »

Anyways, postal precincts in a lot of Berlin don't make much sense, so I'll not continue that project.
Should I post the figures for Mitte (where they do, broadly speaking)?
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« Reply #1297 on: September 21, 2011, 01:39:53 PM »

Anyways, postal precincts in a lot of Berlin don't make much sense, so I'll not continue that project.
Should I post the figures for Mitte (where they do, broadly speaking)?

All figures of interest should be posted.
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« Reply #1298 on: September 21, 2011, 01:46:23 PM »

Sheesh, can't seem to get my odt file to open on this computer... damn compatibility issues. Sad
Tell you what, I'll send you an email. It has the lists of which precincts make up the postal precinct and even short descriptions of where they are.
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« Reply #1299 on: September 21, 2011, 11:24:12 PM »

What's the place in the East where the CDU did so well?
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