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Question: Which of the following countries do you see joining the EU by the end of the next decade?
#1
Serbia
 
#2
Montenegro
 
#3
Macedonia
 
#4
Kosovo
 
#5
Albania
 
#6
Iceland
 
#7
Turkey
 
#8
Bosnia/Herzegovina
 
#9
NOTA
 
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« on: May 30, 2011, 12:02:20 PM »

Lol@norway and switzerland. Too good to be in "europe"

Not a case of being too good, but that it would be extremely stupid for either of them.  Norway would get screwed royally if its waters were part of the Common Fisheries Policy and its waters opened up to European trawlers.  Plus they'd have to use the same technicality that Sweden has used to avoid joining the Eurozone, that of not being a member of the ERM II for two years, as the Norwegian krone more than meets all of the other requirements that would force them to adopt the Euro.

Norway stays out for oil related reasons also, right? Further, the Swiss get to keep prying eyes away from their shady banks.
In other words, they're too good to be in "europe."

No, they're too smart to be in the EU. Nothing strange with that.

It's a shame that only Norway and Switzerland were smart enough...

What's with all this hostility to the European Union? Do you really wish to return to the Westphalian system of independent competing nation-states that ultimately led to the First and Second World Wars?  

I'm pretty sure we would not see another European war simply because the EU wasn't there. Personally I support the common market, but I don't see why that means we need to give up our soverinty and national powers to an undemocrtic beurocracy. Why should France decide all of Europes agricultural policy, Germany all economic policy, and Britain all anti-terror policy and so on.  
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 12:12:07 PM »

The Coal and Steal Union was an agreement that would keep one of the two countries (France and Germany) from secretly starting to produce more of the two itims in order to start war on eachother. That has nothing to do with European relations today.

That's like claiming NAFTA is the reason USA, Canada, and Mexico isn't bombing the $hit out of eachother right now. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 04:32:18 PM »

Frodo, using that logic it's just a matter of time before the US and Britain declare war against eachother. You guys have been to war with eachother in the past after all. Not to mention Spain, Spain obviously wants to get back at you for the Mexican War. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2011, 09:54:03 AM »

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Haha Smiley Nah a European war, especially in Western Europe, is extraimly unlikly either way. However I think that the union many times cause more conflict between certain states than it resolves.

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Pretty easy prediction considering they already are in it. Wink

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That is probably true. Might be a potential explanation as to why eastern European countries in general seem to be more EU positive.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2011, 06:13:31 PM »

If the EU doesn't function fully democratically that has a lot to do with the lack of enthusiasm of certain member states for the European Project. The idea of a directly elected European 'President' is something I am very much in favour of. Or if that's too much asked, perhaps we could have had Blair rather than Van Rompuy.

Of course a directly elected president would never work. I'm aware that the intelectual-left of this forum dislikes the concept of nation states and that a lot even wish to see a United States of the World goverment. But people in general like their national states. They fought wars to gain indipendence, and they are not willing to give that up. As soon as the European Union in any way shape or form will start to look like a United States of Europe (which it already is in a lot of areas) all public support of the Union would crumble. That's why it was never possible to pass the EU constitution, but it was possible to pass the Lisabon Treaty. Even though they were 95% the same when it came to what was actually in them, it's all about name. A President of Europe elected like the President of the United States would never be accepted in any European country ever outside of the political elite, because that would reveal that we aren't indipendant nations any longer.

Besides the leaders of Europe would never accept a strong president telling them what to do. The strong leader they want to rule the whole EU is themself. If they can't have themself rule, they much rather prefer a weakling like Van Rompuy who will not be able to stand in their way.   
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