MA: MIDEAST FIREARMS SAFETY ACT (Session Ended)

[California8429]

While I understand the arguments for changing "felon" to "violent felon," I implore everyone to vote against this amendment.  I have been involved in prosecuting violent crimes for several years now, specializing in gang cases.  Just going through the cases I am dealing with from the most recent gang war -- nearly twenty members involved in shootings and illegal weapons possession.  None of them had a prior violent "felony."  Two cases really stick out -- police come across these guys, they have guns, and are from out of state -- our information was that they were brought up here to be hitters so that we would not be able to find them after the shooting.  Neither had a "violent felony."  One had an auto theft and the other felony drug dealing case. 

The fact of the matter is most first time offenders are not convicted of felonies.  Courts can do hold opens, diversions, and many other programs to prevent criminal convictions.  Yet if someone does get a felony, I believe it is in the public's best interest for them not have a firearm.  Thank you for your attention.

But what about white collar crimes? Not buglaries or theft, but fraud and such? I see your point very well though.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

We can add theft and drug crimes if you want.  But I am not going to vote for something that punishes all felons.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Anybody else have input?

[California8429]

Anybody else have input?

can you add the drugs/theft portion to the amendment, that's all I have to add. Then I'll bring it to a vote.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

A problem with the theft is we again can get into white collar crime.  I'll do drugs.  I'm hesitant about theft.

[California8429]

A problem with the theft is we again can get into white collar crime.  I'll do drugs.  I'm hesitant about theft.

robbing a house and car is very serious for having gun related problems in the future. Can we get language in it to include auto theft or burglary?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Is everybody good with motor vehicle theft and burglary?

[California8429]

Is everybody good with motor vehicle theft and burglary?

and also drug trafficking.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well, are we good with any felonies related to controlled substances?

[Junkie]

Rather than labeling them "violent" we could just come up with a list of felonies that being convicted of would trigger the Felon in Possession subsection.

I would propose that a violation of unlawful carrying concealed and possession of a shortbarreled shotgun/rifle should count, as well as: felony theft, robbery, armed robbery, shootings, homicide, attempted homicide, forcible sexual assault, sexual assault of a child, kidnapping, false imprisonment, substantial and aggravated battery, auto theft, car jackings, child pornography and child enticement.

If you want to add or subtract from the list, I am willing to negotiate.

[California8429]

Rather than labeling them "violent" we could just come up with a list of felonies that being convicted of would trigger the Felon in Possession subsection.

I would propose that a violation of unlawful carrying concealed and possession of a shortbarreled shotgun/rifle should count, as well as: felony theft, robbery, armed robbery, shootings, homicide, attempted homicide, forcible sexual assault, sexual assault of a child, kidnapping, false imprisonment, substantial and aggravated battery, auto theft, car jackings, child pornography and child enticement.

If you want to add or subtract from the list, I am willing to negotiate.

I like this list. However child pornography doesn't seem to be a job often done by gun point.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Rather than labeling them "violent" we could just come up with a list of felonies that being convicted of would trigger the Felon in Possession subsection.

Yes... in fact I was planning on doing that.

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Add drug crimes.  I really don't care if child porn people are on there... but those types of people are pure scum anyway.

[California8429]

Rather than labeling them "violent" we could just come up with a list of felonies that being convicted of would trigger the Felon in Possession subsection.

Yes... in fact I was planning on doing that.

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Add drug crimes.  I really don't care if child porn people are on there... but those types of people are pure scum anyway.

Sounds good. Once you rewrite the amendment, I'll bring it to a vote and then from there we can vote on the whole bill.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

So... we're all good with child porn and child enticement?

[California8429]

So... we're all good with child porn and child enticement?

I think those should be left out, however I won't object if they're in the amendment. If somebody really wants to push for them, we can vote on a 2nd amendement.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Let's try this one more time...

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In section 4.)a., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)b., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)c., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".
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[California8429]

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So the government still would have the power than to deny firearms for other felonies not specified then with this language correct? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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So the government still would have the power than to deny firearms for other felonies not specified then with this language correct? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose?

Edited.... that was my intent... that if we missed a violent felony, it wouldn't be a legit excuse.

I think that should be good.

[California8429]

The following amendment is now open for voting. Voting will last for 24 hours or until every Assemblymember has voted. Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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In section 4.)a., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)b., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

In section 4.)c., the word "specified" shall be added before the word "felony".

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[California8429]

Aye

[Junkie]

Abstain

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can we move forward with this?  We've got just under 2 days...

[California8429]

Voting is now closed. The amendment has passed

Aye-2
Nay-0
Abstain-1

Not Voting-2

With no objections i will bring this to a final vote

[California8429]

I am going to introduce the following amendment

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Section 6 shall be repealed.