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« on: November 24, 2010, 02:53:09 PM »

Obama approval:

45-48

Obama favorables:

47-49

3-way race:

45% Obama
31% Palin
15% Bloomberg

GOP Primary:

20% Romney
16% Huckabee
13% Palin
10% Gingrich
  9% Christie
  5% Perry
  4% Daniels
  3% Pence
  3% Pataki
  2% Pawlenty
  1% Barbour
14% Undecided

http://maristpoll.marist.edu/1124-looking-to-2012-48-plan-to-vote-against-obama/
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 02:58:24 PM »

Nothing new here in the general, really, although I expected Palin to be running a little better then this (although Bloomberg's numbers are staggering, and it appears that everyone who approves of Obama will vote for him, while Bloomberg sucks many of the independents and Republicans who can't stand Palin). It appears that a great deal of people are only voting Palin in the one-on-one matchup because they hate Obama more.

Also, Christie at nine percent!?! And Pataki outpolling Pawlenty?  
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 03:00:31 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 03:04:56 PM »

Also, Christie at nine percent!?! And Pataki outpolling Pawlenty?  

Why wouldn't Christie be at 9%?  At the moment, he's in the news far more often than any of the "second tier" candidates who are actually running.  But he's usually not included in 2012 polls, so we don't have anything to compare to.  (Aside from Zogby Interactive, lol.)  9% sounds perfectly plausible.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 03:05:51 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 03:08:04 PM »

Also, Christie at nine percent!?! And Pataki outpolling Pawlenty?  

Why wouldn't Christie be at 9%?  At the moment, he's in the news far more often than any of the "second tier" candidates who are actually running.  But he's usually not included in 2012 polls, so we don't have anything to compare to.  (Aside from Zogby Interactive, lol.)  9% sounds perfectly plausible.


That makes sense, it is just a bit of a surprise. I thought we had a poll last mont with him at five percent? Maybe I am misremembering. Christie is not running though, and I'll be very surprised if he does.

What about Pataki outpolling Pawlenty? That doesn't seem to make sense, considering that the latter is mentioned as a candidate much more often then the former.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 03:09:01 PM »

who leads the GOP primary among:

Republicans only: Romney
Republican-leaning Independents: Romney
Tea Party supporters: Romney
income < $50,000: Palin/Romney tie
income > $50,000: Romney
not college graduate: Palin
college graduate: Romney
under 45: Huckabee/Romney tie
over 45: Romney
men: Huckabee/Romney tie
women: Romney


Also, what would an Obama 45% / Palin 31% / Bloomberg 15% electoral map look like?
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 03:10:36 PM »

Also, Christie at nine percent!?! And Pataki outpolling Pawlenty?  

Why wouldn't Christie be at 9%?  At the moment, he's in the news far more often than any of the "second tier" candidates who are actually running.  But he's usually not included in 2012 polls, so we don't have anything to compare to.  (Aside from Zogby Interactive, lol.)  9% sounds perfectly plausible.


That makes sense, it is just a bit of a surprise. I thought we had a poll last mont with him at five percent? Maybe I am misremembering. Christie is not running though, and I'll be very surprised if he does.

What about Pataki outpolling Pawlenty? That doesn't seem to make sense, considering that the latter is mentioned as a candidate much more often then the former.

Most of the other polls show Pawlenty at about 5%.  The margin of error on the GOP sample here is a whopping 5.5%, so it's all within the margin of error.
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 04:53:52 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!
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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 05:07:48 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!

Just like being state senator in Illinois was.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 05:14:44 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!

Just like being state senator in Illinois was.

Uh...being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey is obviously more important than being a two term State Senator that abstained an unusual amount of the time.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 05:17:40 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!

Just like being state senator in Illinois was.

Uh...being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey is obviously more important than being a two term State Senator that abstained an unusual amount of the time.

Why?
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2010, 05:19:54 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!

Just like being state senator in Illinois was.

Uh...being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey is obviously more important than being a two term State Senator that abstained an unusual amount of the time.

Why?

Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2010, 05:21:18 PM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!


Just like being state senator in Illinois was.

Uh...being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey is obviously more important than being a two term State Senator that abstained an unusual amount of the time.

Why?

It's a jersey thing
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2010, 05:34:24 PM »


Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?

You mean he had executive experience?
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2010, 06:00:36 PM »


Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?

You mean he had executive experience?


It's not just executive experience; it's experience actually doing something. Like or dislike Christie, no one will tell you he was a do-nothing as the top prosecutor in one of the most corrupt states in the nation.
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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2010, 06:08:05 PM »

Also, what would an Obama 45% / Palin 31% / Bloomberg 15% electoral map look like?

Maybe?
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2010, 06:20:56 PM »


Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?

You mean he had executive experience?


It's not just executive experience; it's experience actually doing something. Like or dislike Christie, no one will tell you he was a do-nothing as the top prosecutor in one of the most corrupt states in the nation.

Legislators do something too you know.

And in an unrelated note, Christie's bully scthick might be working in New Jersey but I doubt that it will be very successful in DC.
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2010, 10:07:17 PM »

Interesting! It makes me wonder what Bloomberg's numbers would look like with increased name recognition. It would be an exciting scenario, particularly when the debates came around.

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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2010, 10:34:36 PM »


Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?

You mean he had executive experience?


It's not just executive experience; it's experience actually doing something. Like or dislike Christie, no one will tell you he was a do-nothing as the top prosecutor in one of the most corrupt states in the nation.

Legislators do something too you know.

And in an unrelated note, Christie's bully scthick might be working in New Jersey but I doubt that it will be very successful in DC.

I don't recall him saying "state legislators don't do anything". I do recall him saying the one particular former ILL legislator did nothing while in office.
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 12:22:01 AM »


Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?

You mean he had executive experience?


It's not just executive experience; it's experience actually doing something. Like or dislike Christie, no one will tell you he was a do-nothing as the top prosecutor in one of the most corrupt states in the nation.

Legislators do something too you know.

Sure they do...when they aren't abstaining an unusual amount of the time.  Tongue

Obama has admitted he was bored as a State Senator.
 

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Already have him going to DC? Nice.  Wink

People like his attitude. You see it as bullying; most people see it as a politician finally having a set to take on powerful interests and not backing down when the going gets tough. If he can pull in approval ratings over 50% as a conservative Republican in New Jersey, you shouldn't underestimate him. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 01:02:44 AM »

Nate Silver averages the data from this poll with the recent CNN and Quinnipiac polls, and finds a notable "education gap" for both Palin and Romney.  GOP primary voters with higher education levels are more likely to go with Romney, and those with lower education levels more likely to go with Palin:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/palin-support-limited-among-wealthy-college-educated-republicans/


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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 01:19:21 AM »


Are you that unfamiliar with the responsibilities of a U.S. Attorney in one of the most corrupt states in the country and Christie's record as a prosecutor?

You mean he had executive experience?


It's not just executive experience; it's experience actually doing something. Like or dislike Christie, no one will tell you he was a do-nothing as the top prosecutor in one of the most corrupt states in the nation.

Legislators do something too you know.

Sure they do...when they aren't abstaining an unusual amount of the time.  Tongue

Obama has admitted he was bored as a State Senator.
 

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Already have him going to DC? Nice.  Wink

People like his attitude. You see it as bullying; most people see it as a politician finally having a set to take on powerful interests and not backing down when the going gets tough. If he can pull in approval ratings over 50% as a conservative Republican in New Jersey, you shouldn't underestimate him. 

Are we really going to have a debate about Obama's "present" votes, again? Really?

You're the ones that already see him as the savior of the Republican party, not me.
And I'm skeptical about him "taking on powerful interests". I somehow doubt that teachers are what people think when they hear about powerful interests.
Not to mention the fact that he bribed many Democratic bosses in New Jersey by exempting their turf from his spending cuts in order to have them at his side while fighting the legislature. That's a very funny way for a reformer to battle "powerful interests".   
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2010, 01:25:26 AM »

If Christie announces he is running, the nomination is his.

What better way to stop a half-term governor than recruiting someone with even less experience?

Being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey for eight years is clearly meaningless!

Just like being state senator in Illinois was.

Uh...being U.S. Attorney in New Jersey is obviously more important than being a two term State Senator that abstained an unusual amount of the time.

Why?

Hmm.

I certainly fail to see how being a U.S. Attorney would better prepare someone for being President than being a State Senator would, whether someone subjectively sees the job as more ''important'' or not. I would imagine that State Senators deal with a considerably wider range of issues.
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2010, 01:52:12 AM »

LOL Pawlenty
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