Will this Berlusconi government finally collapse?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 29, 2024, 08:32:13 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  International General Discussion (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  Will this Berlusconi government finally collapse?
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4
Poll
Question: There is a confidence vote scheduled for December 14th. Will the Berlusconi government finally fall?
#1
Yes
 
#2
No
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 20

Author Topic: Will this Berlusconi government finally collapse?  (Read 5773 times)
they don't love you like i love you
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 112,714
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2010, 12:07:24 PM »

I've been waiting for this for years, but I really startthinking this guy is just invulnerable.

After this guy is gone, Italy will come under speculative attack by the bond markets. The Left will then take the blame. We've seen it happen before... we need to keep Berlusconi in there because he has been doing a good job protecting Italy from the bond markets. They seem to be friendlier towards right wing governments.

That's utterly silly.

Well this is the guy who didn't want Christine O'Donnell to win the primary because he believed she would win the general.

I didn't believe she would win until she started racking up massive fundraising. She had a chance. She blew it by not running a serious campaign, while Coons ran a serious one. Had Coons assumed that he would win and coasted, while O'Donnell actually tried to win, she would have had a chance.

Oh so I guess you believed Ron Paul had a great chance of winning the GOP nomination then? At least Paul's fundraising was from people who could hypothetically vote for him, while O'Donnell's all came from out of state teabaggers.

And what the hell made you think Coons wouldn't seriously campaign? Because some liberals on some message boards though the seat was now locked up (which in hindsight it was obviously was.) Internet liberals tend to be so influential, not only are we the people most responsible for Rand Paul, we also apparently control Democrats' campaigns now!
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,965
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2010, 12:27:29 PM »

It'd be hilarious depressing if he lost confidence, then won an ensuing election.

Fixed
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,965
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2010, 12:31:25 PM »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Lol, no. I think we're on the same side in the sense that if what happens in Italy is as benign as the Pentapartito unraveling, it's certainly see no problem with it. What I'm more afraid of is what happened in the aftermath of the New Democracy defeat in Greece in 2009-- only multiply by a factor of 5 or 10.

The defeat of ND caused the Greek crisis ? LOL
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,403
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2010, 02:23:51 PM »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Lol, no. I think we're on the same side in the sense that if what happens in Italy is as benign as the Pentapartito unraveling, it's certainly see no problem with it. What I'm more afraid of is what happened in the aftermath of the New Democracy defeat in Greece in 2009-- only multiply by a factor of 5 or 10.

The defeat of ND caused the Greek crisis ? LOL

Yeah, that ought to be the 'stupid comment of the year' or something.
Logged
MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!
Kalwejt
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,380


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2010, 02:28:27 PM »

Italy without Berlusconi makes me sad! Cry I can't picture the country without its cocky, corrupt, womanizing leader!

He's been out of power before. He'll be back.

For a fourth stint? At his age? Somehow I doubt that...

He announced once he'll live 120 years, NiK.
Logged
Insula Dei
belgiansocialist
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,326
Belgium


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2010, 02:32:28 PM »

I thought Beet was talking about the growth in radicalism and protests in Greece rather than the economical mess. Then I realized his comment wouldn't make that much sense in that context either.
Logged
Beet
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 28,806


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2010, 03:04:22 PM »
« Edited: December 06, 2010, 03:06:28 PM by Beet »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Lol, no. I think we're on the same side in the sense that if what happens in Italy is as benign as the Pentapartito unraveling, it's certainly see no problem with it. What I'm more afraid of is what happened in the aftermath of the New Democracy defeat in Greece in 2009-- only multiply by a factor of 5 or 10.

The defeat of ND caused the Greek crisis ? LOL

Yeah, that ought to be the 'stupid comment of the year' or something.

Defeat of ND caused the Greek crisis because the next government came in and tried to come clean. Also, I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but there are very few left wing governments in Europe but all of the countries targeted thus far have been run by left of center governments. Even Fianna Fail is to some extent, though in reality they are only centrist. Thus, the bond markets might have been protecting Italy thus far due to Berlusconi. If it gets an unstable or left wing government all hell will break loose.

Regardless, we can all agree that Italy has held up very well under Berlusconi. It is the only PIIGS whose bond spreads haven't spiked massively. Yet it has the highest debt to GDP besides Greece. For the average Italian person, this is much more important than a sex scandal.
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,403
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2010, 03:28:21 PM »

One word: "lol"
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,611


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2010, 07:14:57 PM »

Italy without Berlusconi makes me sad! Cry I can't picture the country without its cocky, corrupt, womanizing leader!

He's been out of power before. He'll be back.

For a fourth stint? At his age? Somehow I doubt that...

He announced once he'll live 120 years, NiK.

He probably will...
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,965
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2010, 06:23:43 AM »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Lol, no. I think we're on the same side in the sense that if what happens in Italy is as benign as the Pentapartito unraveling, it's certainly see no problem with it. What I'm more afraid of is what happened in the aftermath of the New Democracy defeat in Greece in 2009-- only multiply by a factor of 5 or 10.

The defeat of ND caused the Greek crisis ? LOL

Yeah, that ought to be the 'stupid comment of the year' or something.

Defeat of ND caused the Greek crisis because the next government came in and tried to come clean. Also, I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but there are very few left wing governments in Europe but all of the countries targeted thus far have been run by left of center governments. Even Fianna Fail is to some extent, though in reality they are only centrist. Thus, the bond markets might have been protecting Italy thus far due to Berlusconi. If it gets an unstable or left wing government all hell will break loose.

Regardless, we can all agree that Italy has held up very well under Berlusconi. It is the only PIIGS whose bond spreads haven't spiked massively. Yet it has the highest debt to GDP besides Greece. For the average Italian person, this is much more important than a sex scandal.

This is getting more and more absurd.

Fianna Fàil is left-wing ? LOL
And what about the USA ? If you consider FF to be left-wing I doubt you can deny democrats to be left-wing too. And yet, it is still fine with markets depsite having one of the most colossal debts ever seen.
Logged
Franzl
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,254
Germany


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2010, 06:25:40 AM »

If you consider FF to be left-wing I doubt you can deny democrats to be left-wing too. And yet, it is still fine with markets depsite having one of the most colossal debts ever seen.

I might be wrong, but I think he even openly supported several Republicans.
Logged
Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,173
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2010, 03:34:13 PM »

Unfortunately yes, and this is how the @sshole will achieve it:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/10/silvio-berlusconi-italy-mps-votes
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,610
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2010, 03:35:10 PM »

I think you mean 'no' Smiley
Logged
Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,173
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2010, 03:39:10 PM »


I meant "Yes" if he'll win the confidence vote ... Tongue
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,965
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2010, 04:50:08 PM »


Why am I not surprised ? Roll Eyes
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,611


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2010, 04:31:03 AM »

Yeah, I heard about this. Please remember that I want him to lose this but I have to say that of course he'll be accused of doing this. It doesn't matter even if it isn't remotely true; it will always be said and believed by a good amount of people.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,965
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2010, 04:52:14 AM »

Yeah, I heard about this. Please remember that I want him to lose this but I have to say that of course he'll be accused of doing this. It doesn't matter even if it isn't remotely true; it will always be said and believed by a good amount of people.

With Berlusconi, presumption of guilt is always the right thing to do.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,611


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2010, 04:53:48 AM »

Yeah, I heard about this. Please remember that I want him to lose this but I have to say that of course he'll be accused of doing this. It doesn't matter even if it isn't remotely true; it will always be said and believed by a good amount of people.

With Berlusconi, presumption of guilt is always the right thing to do.

I figured I'd get that response.  Tongue
Logged
Hash
Hashemite
Moderator
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 32,403
Colombia


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2010, 09:21:51 AM »


He has a place assured for him in the Brazilian Senate now Smiley
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,965
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2010, 10:32:47 AM »


I rather think that Berlusconi would like to welcome some Brazilian Senators in his government. Tongue
Logged
Iannis
Rookie
**
Posts: 222
Italy


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2010, 06:41:03 AM »

Yeah, I heard about this. Please remember that I want him to lose this but I have to say that of course he'll be accused of doing this. It doesn't matter even if it isn't remotely true; it will always be said and believed by a good amount of people.

With Berlusconi, presumption of guilt is always the right thing to do.

Many MPs in the past abandoned Berlusconi and sided the left, and nobody said they were paid. Only the opposite shift should be corruption? ridicoulous
Logged
GMantis
Dessie Potter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,948
Bulgaria


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2010, 10:37:19 AM »

Yeah, I heard about this. Please remember that I want him to lose this but I have to say that of course he'll be accused of doing this. It doesn't matter even if it isn't remotely true; it will always be said and believed by a good amount of people.

With Berlusconi, presumption of guilt is always the right thing to do.

Many MPs in the past abandoned Berlusconi and sided the left, and nobody said they were paid. Only the opposite shift should be corruption? ridicoulous
Did they also switch parties in such a critical position?
Logged
Iannis
Rookie
**
Posts: 222
Italy


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2010, 11:14:07 AM »

Yeah, I heard about this. Please remember that I want him to lose this but I have to say that of course he'll be accused of doing this. It doesn't matter even if it isn't remotely true; it will always be said and believed by a good amount of people.

With Berlusconi, presumption of guilt is always the right thing to do.

Many MPs in the past abandoned Berlusconi and sided the left, and nobody said they were paid. Only the opposite shift should be corruption? ridicoulous
Did they also switch parties in such a critical position?

In 2007 Follini, former leader of centrist Berluscony ally party, swithed position in the Senate, where Prodi had only 1 vote majority ensuring a stronger majority in this way.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,611


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2010, 02:47:12 PM »

One day away.
Logged
Keystone Phil
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 52,611


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2010, 04:36:03 PM »

Only in Italy - http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-italy-berlusconi-20101214,0,6384741.story
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.071 seconds with 13 queries.