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Psychic Octopus
Junior Chimp
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« on: December 11, 2010, 10:28:18 PM »

Depends on the economy. Obama's move to the center won't matter at all if the economy is still in the dumps in 2012. He does have the potential benefit of facing someone like Palin or Gingrich, though.

Yeah I heard about this... but honestly, it's one Democrat saying something stupid in a back room.

I genuinely think Obama's move to the center will be his saving grace come November 2012.

What move to the center? All he has been showing himself to be so far is spineless and nothing more that a political chameleon. Now his party's progressive base is pissed off at him. As far as I'm concerned, his chances at reelection are much less likely than Clinton's after 94. Clinton had the magical touch like Reagan had for his party of compromising his principles, but still being beloved by his base. Obama appears to be very academic in his approach to governing, and doesn't appear to have the ability to empathize with the average voter like Reagan and Clinton did. His saving grace will only be if Palin or Huckabee are the nominees for president, and that is a very big if.

No, Obama will win by a large margin. Moderate heroism sells.

It worked out excellently for Jerry Ford in '76 and Carter in '80.

I don't think you understand what I mean.

Well what do you mean?
I just disagree with your statement that moderate heroism sells. The only moderate hero to win in recent history was Clinton, and he won just by a string.

Won by a string? He won in 1996 by much more then a string...
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Psychic Octopus
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 12:00:06 AM »

Clinton's margin of victory was over eight points... that is not a "string." Dole wasn't the best the GOP could do, but he was a genuine war hero with decades of experience. Clinton was the first president since FDR to win a second term, and you are calling him not popular? His approval rating was through the roof even when he was lying about cheating on his wife, for god's sake! Even today, Bill Clinton is the most popular politician in the country!

I am starting to get the idea that you want your own little preverse fascist fantasy to come to fruition. You seem to defend it all points...
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Psychic Octopus
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,948
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 12:31:06 AM »

Clinton's margin of victory was over eight points... that is not a "string." Dole wasn't the best the GOP could do, but he was a genuine war hero with decades of experience. Clinton was the first president since FDR to win a second term, and you are calling him not popular? His approval rating was through the roof even when he was lying about cheating on his wife, for god's sake! Even today, Bill Clinton is the most popular politician in the country!

I am starting to get the idea that you want your own little preverse fascist fantasy to come to fruition. You seem to defend it all points...

I'm not saying he wasn't popular--He was. I just think his popularity has been a little overblown in retrospect. As to Dole, I mean the same, "He was a respected war hero" argument could be made about McCain in 2008. He won by 9 points, yes, but it was still not an overwhelming victory like Reagan in 1984 or even a small landslide like Obama in '08. He should have been more popular (Clinton I mean).

And yeah, he was the first Democrat re-elected since FDR BUT neither Truman nor LBJ sought re-election and Carter generally didn't do a good job. It's not like there were that many post FDR Democratic President.

And what ''fascist fantasy'' do you think I have? I just want to see the Democratic Party prosper.

Clinton won more electoral votes and had a larger margin of victory then our current president. There was a period of time where Clinton had an approval rating higher then seventy percent, which Reagan never achieved. So, uh, there it is.

Truman and LBJ would, in all likelihood, have lost re-election. Of course Kennedy would have won, but that's neither here nor there. Clinton won, after the right forecast his demise. Counts for something.

As for your "fascist fantasy," you know more about it then I do. "THE RIGHT IS TAKING OVER! NEW GILDED AGE!" et cetera. You defend its plausibility in almost every post you make. It is like you want one.
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