First "real" Republican/Democrat presidents

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

McKinley was very laissez-faire and pro-business, and was very imperialistic. And I don't mean that as a compliment since I  hate McKinley.

Roosevelt doesn't strike me as a pro-corporate anti-environmentalist either.

[A18]

Who assassinated McKinley, and why?

Roosevelt probably would have made Syria the 51st state by now.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

an anarchist, although it was mostly for attention to the anarchist cause.

Roosevelt was a hawk, but there are plenty of modern day hawkish Democrats ("Scoop" Jackson, Lieberman). There is no way he could be in the party of big business.

[Cashcow]

FDR did not drive the modern Democratic Party. He certainly turned it around, but by no means are Democrats socialists.

Compare the party to the real socialists in Europe.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

FDR did not drive the modern Democratic Party. He certainly turned it around, but by no means are Democrats socialists.

Compare the party to the real socialists in Europe.

according to Al, they're a lot closer than we think, the term socialist is used differently in Europe, many Democrats would be considered socialists in Europe, including Kerry.

[12th Doctor]

McKinley was very laissez-faire and pro-business, and was very imperialistic. And I don't mean that as a compliment since I  hate McKinley.

Ha, who told you that idiocy?

McKinely wept in his office when he gave the order to deploy troops in the Spanish-American War.  He didn't want to fight.  It was Roosevelt who was responsible for the war.  Open a real hisoty book, instead of a public school text book.

[Cashcow]

according to Al, they're a lot closer than we think, the term socialist is used differently in Europe, many Democrats would be considered socialists in Europe, including Kerry.

I sincerely doubt that. And they're still not anything like FDR, I can't see even socialized medicine being a party platform for a long time.

[12th Doctor]

an anarchist, although it was mostly for attention to the anarchist cause.

Roosevelt was a hawk, but there are plenty of modern day hawkish Democrats ("Scoop" Jackson, Lieberman). There is no way he could be in the party of big business.

Peopel think that TR was this great promoter of Socialism.  That is a myth.  He had a concern for the poor, but he was very reluctent to take on big-bussiness in several situations.

Taft... yeah that's right, Taft one of the most hated Presidents in US history busted up more trusts and put more restritions on big business than TR did.  Oh, but how history has been changed in the hands of the peopel who should be gaurding it.

[struct310]

Clinton is the first real modern Dem and Reagan is the first modern Republican president.  FDR was socially conservative along with Truman and big spenders, along the line of Bush.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Um... Lincoln was the first Republican President. Jackson was the first Democratic President.

If they were alive today, Jackson would be a Democrat, I'm not sure about Lincoln... probably a Gypsy Moth Republican.

[NHPolitico]

LBJ is more what the modern Dem Party looks like.

[elcorazon]

Reagan & LBJ, but both parties are drastically more conservative than either of them, now.