New Jersey

[Keystone Phil]

With all this talk of New Jersey supposedly trending Republican, why don't the Republicans have a chance in hell of winning any office?

Republicans don't hold office in NJ?

Statewide

With all this talk of New Jersey supposedly trending Republican, why don't the Republicans have a chance in hell of winning any office?

Republicans don't hold office in NJ?

Statewide

Well to say that they don't have a chance at winning is unfair.
2000 - Bob Franks lost to Corzine by about 3 points. That's not much.

  2002 - Forrester was about to become the next U.S. Senator before the NJ Dems withdrew their candidate.

2006 - If Corzine becomes Governor, his Senate seat opens up. Republicans can take it, though it will be difficult (wouldn't say their chances are zero, though).

2005 Gubernatorial race - If Corzine doesn't run (looks like he will but anything can happen in NJ) I think the GOP candidate not only has a chance but will win the office.

Lol ok...I just got the feeling from this thread, even from you, that the Republicans have little if any chance.

What are you talking about? Can you argue any of your points? I just gave you a list of likely situations were the GOP can pick up Senate seats/Governor's office. My point here is that saying the GOP has no chance at all is wrong.

Umm, I never claimed to be an expert on NJ politics. I came to this thread as an outsider and got the overwhelming feeling, even from you, that the Republicans dont have much of a chance of picking up any of these seats. Stop being so pompous.

How am I being pompous? How am I displaying this feeling that the GOP can't win statewide when I gave you scenarios which they can?

[danwxman]

With all this talk of New Jersey supposedly trending Republican, why don't the Republicans have a chance in hell of winning any office?

Republicans don't hold office in NJ?

Statewide

With all this talk of New Jersey supposedly trending Republican, why don't the Republicans have a chance in hell of winning any office?

Republicans don't hold office in NJ?

Statewide

Well to say that they don't have a chance at winning is unfair.
2000 - Bob Franks lost to Corzine by about 3 points. That's not much.

  2002 - Forrester was about to become the next U.S. Senator before the NJ Dems withdrew their candidate.

2006 - If Corzine becomes Governor, his Senate seat opens up. Republicans can take it, though it will be difficult (wouldn't say their chances are zero, though).

2005 Gubernatorial race - If Corzine doesn't run (looks like he will but anything can happen in NJ) I think the GOP candidate not only has a chance but will win the office.

Lol ok...I just got the feeling from this thread, even from you, that the Republicans have little if any chance.

What are you talking about? Can you argue any of your points? I just gave you a list of likely situations were the GOP can pick up Senate seats/Governor's office. My point here is that saying the GOP has no chance at all is wrong.

Umm, I never claimed to be an expert on NJ politics. I came to this thread as an outsider and got the overwhelming feeling, even from you, that the Republicans dont have much of a chance of picking up any of these seats. Stop being so pompous.

How am I being pompous? How am I displaying this feeling that the GOP can't win statewide when I gave you scenarios which they can?

Because you're taking what I say out of context and trying to start something. How old are you? You're like a fifth grader know-it-all.

Anyway, you suggested twice on the first page of this thread that Corzine would likely take the governor's office.

[they don't love you like i love you]

Look at my "complete party control map" I made awhile back. NJ is one of the 3 states (now that it appears Rossi won in WA) that the Democrats control the governor's office, both Senate seats, both houses of the legislature and a majority of Congressmen. And NJ is not trending Republican, quite the opposite. Look at the 1988 results.

But what about your point concerning Forrester and his money? Corzine became someone big for that same reason.

NJ is a Democratic-leaning state. Just because Corzine can win doesn't mean Forrester can.

You said the only thing Forrester had going for him was money. Same thing with Corzine, right? If Corzine didn't have the millions that he has during that Senate race, Franks would have been able to overcome the margin and win the seat.

but since NJ is a Democratic-leaning state (it's actually much more than that), a lot of money might be enough for a Democrat, but not a Republican.

[Keystone Phil]

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Taking what you said out of context? You gave your opinion and I gave an opposing opinion. How is that being pompous?

As for the Corzine candidacy (possible candidacy I should say) I did state that I believe it is likely that he will win. However, does that mean I believe the Republican doesn't have a shot or that the GOP doesn't have a chance in future races? No, I don't. You are taking what I'm saying out of context.

[danwxman]

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Taking what you said out of context? You gave your opinion and I gave an opposing opinion. How is that being pompous?

As for the Corzine candidacy (possible candidacy I should say) I did state that I believe it is likely that he will win. However, does that mean I believe the Republican doesn't have a shot or that the GOP doesn't have a chance in future races? No, I don't. You are taking what I'm saying out of context.

My comments weren't just about you. And you are taking what I said wayyyy too literally. Of course the Republicans have a chance, just not a good one. I will admit the Repubicans probably have a better chance against Rendell then Corzine

[Keystone Phil]

Look at my "complete party control map" I made awhile back. NJ is one of the 3 states (now that it appears Rossi won in WA) that the Democrats control the governor's office, both Senate seats, both houses of the legislature and a majority of Congressmen. And NJ is not trending Republican, quite the opposite. Look at the 1988 results.

But what about your point concerning Forrester and his money? Corzine became someone big for that same reason.

NJ is a Democratic-leaning state. Just because Corzine can win doesn't mean Forrester can.

You said the only thing Forrester had going for him was money. Same thing with Corzine, right? If Corzine didn't have the millions that he has during that Senate race, Franks would have been able to overcome the margin and win the seat.

but since NJ is a Democratic-leaning state (it's actually much more than that), a lot of money might be enough for a Democrat, but not a Republican.

That's true. I think that we can both agree that money has helped both candidates out a great deal and without it neither of the two would go that far (Though Forrester has held elected office before. That helps.)

[Keystone Phil]

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Well come on...if someone can't admit that there is obviously something wrong with the way they look at the political process 

[qwerty]

BRTD, New Jersey is a Democratic leaning state. But it's no more Democratic leaning then California, Mass., Maryland, New York, Vermont, Conneticut, and Rhode Island, all of which have Republican Governors.

[patrick1]

The Republicans only ran him in 2002 because he had lots of money,

Money was the only big reason Corzine won (and barely won actually) the NJ Senate race in 2000.

What is the going rate for the office of New Jersey Governor? The Senate seat only cost Corzine $63,000,000.

[MAS117]

Corzine will get to pick his successor in the Senate. Legally, he doesnt have to resign from the Senate until hes sworn in. Then as Gov. he can choose his replacement. Andrews most likely wont be his successor. Menedez is a possiblity, and there are a few others.

[Keystone Phil]

Corzine will get to pick his successor in the Senate. Legally, he doesnt have to resign from the Senate until hes sworn in. Then as Gov. he can choose his replacement. Andrews most likely wont be his successor. Menedez is a possiblity, and there are a few others.

I thought it would be between Andrews and Menendez, leaning towards Andrews. Any reason why you think Andrews is unlikely to get it? And who are the "few others" who could get the seat?

[MAS117]

Corzine will get to pick his successor in the Senate. Legally, he doesnt have to resign from the Senate until hes sworn in. Then as Gov. he can choose his replacement. Andrews most likely wont be his successor. Menedez is a possiblity, and there are a few others.

I thought it would be between Andrews and Menendez, leaning towards Andrews. Any reason why you think Andrews is unlikely to get it? And who are the "few others" who could get the seat?

NJ is controlled by political bosses. In South Jersey Donald Norcross runs the show. In North Jersey there are one or two others. Andrews doesnt really fit in with any of them. The few others I'm talking about is some congressman and state senators.