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« on: November 21, 2004, 04:36:07 PM »

The recount in Washington is underway.  Only one county is in, Klickitat, and they have found one more vote for Rossi.

With one county in the results are:

Gregoire...3919
Rossi........4767
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2004, 04:43:54 PM »

Rossi +262?
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2004, 07:29:50 PM »


Where are you getting that number from?
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2004, 07:46:52 PM »

Here is the official site for the recount:

http://vote.wa.gov/general/recount.aspx
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2004, 08:23:50 PM »

Well, the original count had it at Rossi by 261 votes, so I just added 1 to the total and came up with 262.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2004, 08:24:53 PM »


Aw, man.  You gave away my secret.  I shall avenge myself upon you!
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2004, 08:52:53 PM »


Aw, man.  You gave away my secret.  I shall avenge myself upon you!


Haha, like it was really hard to figure out.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2004, 10:39:22 PM »


Aw, man.  You gave away my secret.  I shall avenge myself upon you!

Your secret? I showed you that site.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2004, 11:14:43 PM »


Aw, man.  You gave away my secret.  I shall avenge myself upon you!

Your secret? I showed you that site.

Oh sure.  All of a sudden this is all about you.  Looks like I will have to send my friends in the black helicopters to deal with you.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2004, 05:21:07 PM »

As if 2 PM PST, with 12 counties reporting, both Gregoire and Rossi have picked up 14 total votes.  Hence, to this point, no net change in the 261 vote Rossi lead.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2004, 10:28:48 PM »

Seattle Times story makes it sound like the King County recount is looking at ballots the machine rejects and determining voter intent.  http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002097625_recount22m.html

With over 850,000 votes cast in that county (about 32% of the statewide total), picking up 300 or so votes for Gregoire is quite do-able.  Also note that King County will be the last to report its totals, late Wednesday.  I can see the courts getting involved in this race

Also, my count has Rossi gaining a net of 20 votes with the 6:14 PM PST posting, not 35.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 12:41:38 AM »

^If that happens it will be cheating, of course!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 12:42:41 AM »

Voter intent is such BS. It's either a vote or it's not.
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 03:15:53 AM »

Voter intent is such BS. It's either a vote or it's not.

But what is a vote, if not an expression of the intent of the voter? It's merely a mechanism by which the voter expresses their preference for a candidate. If the intent of which candidate the voter supports is clear, the vote should count.
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 08:09:29 AM »

Voter intent is such BS. It's either a vote or it's not.

But what is a vote, if not an expression of the intent of the voter? It's merely a mechanism by which the voter expresses their preference for a candidate. If the intent of which candidate the voter supports is clear, the vote should count.

True, but we have established that the equal protection clause of the Constitution requires each ballot to be treated equally.  Since only one county is doing this, it is not allowed.  Hopefully they are keeping a seperate tally of machine count and their hand count.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 12:44:57 PM »

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Of course.  It reminds me of exactly what Al Gore was doing in Florida.

Go after the four most "Democrat" counties in determining voter intent on their ballots, see if you can get enough votes to get the lead and then declare victory and make sure all of the other "Republican" counties are not allowed to determine voter intent on their spoiled ballots as well.

Typical "Democrat" cheating.  There's nothing that pisses me off more than this type of crap.
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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2004, 05:13:29 PM »

Why do I have a nagging feeling that with every County in except King Rossi will have a 300+ lead and then when the results from King come in newfound ballots for Gregoire will put her over the top?

On that note, why are the heavily Democratic counties always last to get their results in? (i.e. King County in WA, Shannon County in SD)
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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2004, 05:28:27 PM »

Why do I have a nagging feeling that with every County in except King Rossi will have a 300+ lead and then when the results from King come in newfound ballots for Gregoire will put her over the top?

On that note, why are the heavily Democratic counties always last to get their results in? (i.e. King County in WA, Shannon County in SD)

I'm not sure about Shannon County (outdated machinery? It is a fairly poor rural area as must Indian reservations are), but King County's being something like 35% (actually I'm just making that figure up, but you get the general idea) of the state's population might have a bit to do with it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2004, 05:59:49 PM »

Why do I have a nagging feeling that with every County in except King Rossi will have a 300+ lead and then when the results from King come in newfound ballots for Gregoire will put her over the top?

On that note, why are the heavily Democratic counties always last to get their results in? (i.e. King County in WA, Shannon County in SD)

I'm not sure about Shannon County (outdated machinery? It is a fairly poor rural area as must Indian reservations are), but King County's being something like 35% (actually I'm just making that figure up, but you get the general idea) of the state's population might have a bit to do with it.

Exactly right.  This also slows them down in other states.  When whole counties need to be completed at once counties that are large cities are going to take the most time, and they tend to be democratic.
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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2004, 06:04:59 PM »

The 2:17 PM PST update from the Washington SOS office has Gregoire picking up 368 votes and Rossi picking up 400 votes.  Outstanding counties are:
King (surprise)
Kitsap
Skagit
Snohomish
Spokane
Whitman.

Thirty two other counties have reported.  The last to report was Cowlitz, where Gregoire somehow lost 29 votes and Rossi lost 40 votes.  

The net gain of 32 by Rossi makes his lead at 293 votes.

The Seattle Times reports that, "The recount is likely to hinge on the outcome of 710 so-called enhanced ballots in Democratic-leaning King County, where election workers are trying to determine the intent of voters who mismarked their ballots."

If these split 60-40%, as the King County votes have (in Gregoire's favor), then she would gain 142 votes, or 150 short of tying.  That might be an awful assumption, though.
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2004, 06:06:15 PM »
« Edited: November 23, 2004, 06:37:05 PM by Tredrick »

The recount page now has a comparison up to pre-recount results so I won;t be doing my table anymore.

Spokane came in.  The net changes now are Gregoire +488, Rossi +526, Bennett +30.

Results last updated on: 11/23/2004 2:57:00 PM (pacific time)

You can check the recount county results here.
You can see the original county results here.
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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2004, 11:16:04 PM »

As the Tuesday counting ends there are only three counties outstanding. 

King (Seattle) with about 32% of the total statewide vote;

Kitsap, with about 4.3% of the statewide vote;

and Whitman, with about 0.65% of the statewide vote.

Thus far, Rossi has added 55 votes to his narrow 261 vote lead, for a new total of 316 votes.  BUT, over 36% of the votes are yet to report.
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