Is Gulianai too liberal for the republican ticket in '08?

[Democratic Hawk]

The Republicans won't nominate a moderate in 2008. The religious right is starting to get cocky and they won't stand for a pro-choice nominee; if the Christian Coalition doesn't torpedo Giuliani, the NRA will do him in.

The religious right will be flexing its muscles pretty soon (if they aren't doing so already). Is it me, or is the GOP becoming increasingly ideologically-driven?

Dave

[khirkhib]

You are right Hawk.  The CC is punishing Santorum right now for his support of Spechter.  They are the engine that is drove the election.  To the victor goes the spoils.  I think the Republican Candidate this time will be to the right of Bush, Scary.

[Democratic Hawk]

I think the Republican Candidate this time will be to the right of Bush, Scary.

Ideally, against a Democratic moderate. Bring it on!

Dave

[Ben.]

I think the Republican Candidate this time will be to the right of Bush, Scary.

Ideally, against a Democratic moderate. Bring it on!

Dave

Bayh / Easley vs Santorum / Owens

 

[khirkhib]

Easley can't get North Carolina or Virginia

[Storebought]

Yeah so they went heavy democrat in 36 but they were supporting their partys candidate

The GOP was a fourth party in Southern politics until 1948

[The Dowager Mod]

Not on the lower part of the ticket.
he would help among moderates as the V.P.

[A18]

See, this I don't understand: how the VP pick can help anyone. Who votes to put a guy they like in the absolute most irrelevant, worthless position possible?

[Defarge]

If Bush had lost, then Giuliani or McCain probably would have been on the top of the ticket in '08.  However, Bush didn't lose.  Thus, Republicans will feel safe fielding a candidate who more represents their values, while the Democratic Party will be going with the most electable candidate they can find, either Bayh or Warner. 

Guiliani's too liberal for the Republican Party, and probably wouldn't win the nomination unless he could make it to Super Tuesday.  That doesen't change the fact that I'd probably vote for him, and might even volunteer for his campaign depending on the Democratic candidate

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Defarge has a great point, it it was him, would he have a chance of winning some new england states?

[Defarge]

Defarge has a great point, it it was him, would he have a chance of winning some new england states?

In the general election?  He would win NH and quite possibly NY.  Other New England States will probably be reliably Democratic.

The Primaries will be a completely different story should Giuliani decide to run.  I'm not a Republican, and don't pretend to know the internal workings of their party, but this is what I would guess.  Giuliani gets completely crushed in Iowa, 3rd, 2nd if he's extremely lucky.  Next week, Guiliani wins NH.  In the procession of primaries and caucuses in between NH and Super Tuesday, Giuliani will lose most, if not all of them except for North East, West Coast, and some Midwest Primaries.

At that point, it's just a question of whether Giuliani can hold out until Super Tuesday, when he wins the blue state Republican primaries, including NY, CA and the rest of the North East.  If he can translate those victories into momentum, he could win the nomination. 

However, it's a long shot, and depends on Red State primary voters listening to their Blue State Republican counterparts.  In addition, there's the simple fact that there are 3 more years until the Iowa Caucuses.  Anything can happen.  Anything will happen.

[dokken]

guliani winning new york?

The same guy that chickened out of a race with hillary?

Come on people, have some sense. I can tell you as a NYer that most people see through his attempts at making 9/11 his calling card here in NY- He would be toast here.
There is no way that NY goes republican, certainly not for guliani.

Many people still remember what a disgrace he was before 9/11 and with time passing (it will be 7 years in 2008) they will not remember him all that fondly.

guliani does not age well, politically speaking.

[English]

There is no way the religious right will elect Guliani!! Come off it! Or even McCain for that matter.

Hopefully it'll be Santorum and the Democrats will win a landslide. They might even pick up the Dakotas!!

[Democratic Hawk]

Hopefully it'll be Santorum and the Democrats will win a landslide. They might even pick up the Dakotas!!

The further the GOP lunges to the reactionary Right, the better it is for the Democrats. Conservatives are not an ideological majority, or even the largest plurality, in most states

Dave

[A18]

There is no reactionary right. Only a reactionary left.

The last time we picked someone who was going to "lose in a landslide," this happened:

[Lunar]

There is no reactionary right. Only a reactionary left.

The last time we picked someone who was going to "lose in a landslide," this happened:

Against Carter.

[A18]

Hillary Clinton is ten times worse than Carter. Any Republican with a pulse will look Reaganesque against her.