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« on: November 22, 2004, 12:28:13 pm »
« edited: December 11, 2004, 11:03:29 am by Senator Bono »

1. Senators should not introduce bills to the Senate that address two or more
divorced subjects.
2. Senators should not introduce amendments to bills that would cause the bill
to address two or more divorced subjects
3. The Presiding Officer of the Senate is empowered to enforce this resolution
through the ability to reject bills, or sections thereof, and to reject
amendments, or sections thereof.
4. However, the Senate, by a two thirds vote, may overrule the Presiding Officer, if it considers his decision to be on infringment of the intention of this resolution.


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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2004, 01:27:25 pm »

As a simple point of order - this cannot be a piece of statute (remember that any future law simply overrides this law as a matter of course); Instead this should be a Senate Procedural Resolution concerning the introduction of bills by Senators.

Secondly, this bill is wide open to interpretation - what is "only one matter". Arguably under your definition, the following statute would not have been considered as one bill because the topics under discussion are very broad:

The Health Care Reform Act of 2004
National Energy Act
Family Planning Amendments Act of 2004

I like how this is really the anti-Miscellany Bill. If you want a section by section vote on the Miscellany Bill, why don't you just ask for one?
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2004, 03:05:22 pm »

Actually laws concerning the form in which laws may be passed are fairly common.  The relevant section in US law is 1 U.S.C. 104, but the Miscellany Act fits within the parameters of that section of the US Code, in that each section of that Act deals with a single topic.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2004, 03:35:19 pm »

Just as a point, the bill could not have retroactive effect anyway, as that would be an Ex Posto Facto Law, which will in all likelihood be a power forbidden to the Senate in the Amendment. I was simply pointing out that had this procedure been in effect at the time those bills could not have been considered as one bill.

I still oppose this legislation, not only because I disagree with its purpose, but also because I think it is wide open to interpretation as to how narrow the definition of "only one matter" could become.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2004, 03:43:13 pm »

I strongly support this resolution.  It will prevent pork barrel spending and prevent possible abuses of power by the senate.  It also ensures that the senate will debate each issue rather than letting a number of issues slip by in bills such as the current Miscellany bill.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2004, 03:45:50 pm »

This is far too broad. The word matter has no definition. And then we may have to resort to some sort of list of matters. This bill is not well thought out in my opinion.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2004, 11:46:23 am »

New version, written under the coordination of AG Peter Bell.
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2004, 12:33:45 pm »

I think I can now open debate on this.


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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2004, 03:27:10 pm »

I support this bill also, just to consisen (is that a word?) matters.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2004, 04:26:47 pm »

I support this bill also, just to consisen (is that a word?) matters.

No, but consisten is.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2004, 04:27:55 pm »

I support this bill also, just to consisen (is that a word?) matters.

No, but consisten is.

Maybe he means Concisen as in concise.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2004, 04:31:33 pm »

I support this bill also, just to consisen (is that a word?) matters.

No, but consisten is.

Maybe he means Concisen as in concise.

In that case, that isn't a word.
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2004, 04:52:30 pm »

I support this bill also, just to consisen (is that a word?) matters.
No, but consisten is.
Maybe he means Concisen as in concise.
In that case, that isn't a word.
Concisen is an English word, built using the usual rules for suffixes, albeit one that probably isn't in any dictionary except perhaps the OED.  Given that shorten and its large number of synonyms  are existing verbs that already express the concept and are in common use, I can't say that I am surprised by the lack of the perfectly valid word, concisen, in either common use or the dictionary.
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2004, 05:28:38 pm »

This would hamstring a senators right to amend so i'm against it.
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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2004, 05:31:35 pm »

This would hamstring a senators right to amend so i'm against it.

Ammendmets by definition are within teh same matter. Unless you wanted to ammend a bill say, legalizing marijuana to illegalize crosbreading of pigs with weasels.
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« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2004, 05:33:20 pm »

Sometimes a single senator has to be able to delay a bill with killer amendements.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2004, 05:45:08 pm »

Sometimes a single senator has to be able to delay a bill with killer amendements.
...and delay is the last thing we need with so many bills being proposed
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2004, 05:46:25 pm »

So maybe we need less bad bills being introduced?
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« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2004, 06:25:11 pm »

So maybe we need less bad bills being introduced?

Well, IrishDem is no longer a senator, so this may not be too much to hope for.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2004, 04:57:44 am »

Debate ends today. Will the presiding officer put this to a vote?
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2004, 11:01:34 am »

I hereby open the voting.

Please vote Yea, Nay or abstain.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2004, 11:02:49 am »

Yea.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2004, 11:35:04 am »

Nay.

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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2004, 12:30:56 pm »

Nay.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2004, 02:09:58 pm »

I urge my congressman to vote IN FAVOR OF this amendment. Note the final clause Texasgurl
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