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« Reply #500 on: January 09, 2011, 12:45:55 PM »

The political persuasions of the gunman (or gunmen) are irrelevant. What is important here is the cult of violence that has come to exist.

Quite true
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« Reply #501 on: January 09, 2011, 12:53:07 PM »

More info on Christina. She was the granddaughter of former MLB pitcher and Philadelphia Phillies manager Dallas Green and daughter of current Los Angeles Dodgers scout John Green. Hence an article about the shootings on ESPN.
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« Reply #502 on: January 09, 2011, 01:20:09 PM »

More info on Christina. She was the granddaughter of former MLB pitcher and Philadelphia Phillies manager Dallas Green and daughter of current Los Angeles Dodgers scout John Green. Hence an article about the shootings on ESPN.

Not criticizing your link in any way, but the only thing I needed to know about her is that she was 9. 
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« Reply #503 on: January 09, 2011, 01:26:43 PM »

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How, sanely, could she have been a 'traitor' from a right wing standpoint.  She's more likely to vote with the right.  

What does sanity have to do with it? 

If you seriously wonder why she would be a target from a political point of view, just look at the rhetoric surrounding her election and also her vote for health care reform.

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« Reply #504 on: January 09, 2011, 01:32:02 PM »

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/palin-aide-crosshairs-on-target-list-not-actually-gun-sights.php?ref=fpb

Oh for God's sake. This is pathetic. Atleast do the responsible and admit that you were in the wrong. And if it weren't gun shots, why take it off the site?
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« Reply #505 on: January 09, 2011, 02:01:49 PM »
« Edited: January 09, 2011, 02:07:17 PM by Taoisigh »


Well, the swing could be an indication of a psychological disorder.  The answer could be, he's just nuts.

Radical politics at that age usually indicate soem sort of attempt to determine oneself, hence the relatively small difference for a lot of these kids between being a trotskyist or a libertarian. You don't have to look beyond the forum to see examples of such behaviour and none have thus far killed anyone,... So no, wild political swings have to do nothing with being 'a nut' but a lot with immaturity and feeling superior.
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« Reply #506 on: January 09, 2011, 02:03:30 PM »

Wow, I just got finished reading the new polices on moderation, infractions, banning, etc., and so I've gone back and deleted all the posts I could find that I made in this thread.  As near as I can tell it is not permissible to express certain views about this event, and I think my views about it might be disallowed, so to be safe I won't mention them.

What can one actually say in this thread?  
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« Reply #507 on: January 09, 2011, 02:03:32 PM »
« Edited: January 09, 2011, 02:07:36 PM by J. J. »

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How, sanely, could she have been a 'traitor' from a right wing standpoint.  She's more likely to vote with the right. 

What does sanity have to do with it? 

If you seriously wonder why she would be a target from a political point of view, just look at the rhetoric surrounding her election and also her vote for health care reform.

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He also posted a Youtube video of him burning a flag, while talking about an invisible bird on his shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw

Let's see, a man described as "left wing," and posts a video of himself burning a flag is targeting Democrats because they voted for Obamacare?
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« Reply #508 on: January 09, 2011, 02:04:18 PM »

From 2 months ago:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201011080039
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« Reply #509 on: January 09, 2011, 02:10:16 PM »


Well, from the reaction of some of the loony leftist posters here, Beck was right.
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« Reply #510 on: January 09, 2011, 02:10:47 PM »


Well, from the reaction of some of the loony leftist posters here, Beck was right.

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« Reply #511 on: January 09, 2011, 02:12:20 PM »

Also you have to love the way Beck has covered himself in advance. The bastard bloody well knew a day like this would come when you keep up the revolutionary rhetoric.
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« Reply #512 on: January 09, 2011, 02:13:33 PM »


Well, from the reaction of some of the loony leftist posters here, Beck was right.

Actually, Beck seemed to be hoping for something like that, so he could portray himself as a victim, as so many on the right love to do.
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« Reply #513 on: January 09, 2011, 02:28:25 PM »


Well, from the reaction of some of the loony leftist posters here, Beck was right.

Actually, Beck seemed to be hoping for something like that, so he could portray himself as a victim, as so many on the right love to do.

Except, who is creating it.  It isn't the right.  It is the leftists here, and not all of them, that are trying to create this.

I'm willing to say that even though the guy was described as "left wing" and posted a video of himself burning a flag, he probably is disturbed, and not typical of the left wing.  Instead we have some of our leftists trying to tie to this to the right wing.

The leftist here fulfilled Beck's prediction, but not with any help from the right.
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« Reply #514 on: January 09, 2011, 02:33:23 PM »


Oh, I'm sorry. I guess you're still not familiar with the "targeted district" idea. It's a political term. Now tell me you guys have never used it before.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #515 on: January 09, 2011, 02:35:22 PM »

I do think it matter that Palin, unlike others, never called for violence against the government or elected officials. She blithely joked about it and played up her affection for shooting, and it makes a lot of people queasy, but we must distinguish between her, well, vulgarity about guns and the people who've actually spoken about the potential for watering the tree of liberty with blood etc.

It's obviously a stupid act on Palin's part, but I don't fully fault her for this incident.

Wow. That's very big of you. I mean, most people would set aside the fact that she didn't actually pull the trigger or explicitly tell someone to do this and blame her fully but not you. That's good.
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« Reply #516 on: January 09, 2011, 02:36:01 PM »


Well, from the reaction of some of the loony leftist posters here, Beck was right.

Actually, Beck seemed to be hoping for something like that, so he could portray himself as a victim, as so many on the right love to do.

Except, who is creating it.  It isn't the right.  It is the leftists here, and not all of them, that are trying to create this.

I'm willing to say that even though the guy was described as "left wing" and posted a video of himself burning a flag, he probably is disturbed, and not typical of the left wing.  Instead we have some of our leftists trying to tie to this to the right wing.

The leftist here fulfilled Beck's prediction, but not with any help from the right.

After reading most of the facts that are out now, the guy can be classified as a "moderate loser". He´s probably neither a Republican nor a Democrat, but a political Independent. It's like asking: Was the President in the movie Independence Day a Democrat or Republican ?" We don't know. The fact that he wanted to join the military to go to Afghanistan, hated the "current" US-Government, referred to women having abortions as terrorists and reading Mein Kampf when his premier victim was Jewish leads to the conclusion that he's a Republican. The fact that his former schoolmates claim he's a liberal, burns an American flag and writes "no religion" on the army application form leads to the conclusion that he's a Democrat. Alltogether, he's a moderate loser. Until he tells us something different during his trial.
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« Reply #517 on: January 09, 2011, 02:39:57 PM »


Oh, I'm sorry. I guess you're still not familiar with the "targeted district" idea. It's a political term. Now tell me you guys have never used it before.  Roll Eyes

As is the term "campaign," in terms of a military campaign, not to mention "ground forces," or "war room."
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« Reply #518 on: January 09, 2011, 02:40:23 PM »

Ah, so the killer is a centrist now. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #519 on: January 09, 2011, 02:41:16 PM »

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/palin-aide-crosshairs-on-target-list-not-actually-gun-sights.php?ref=fpb

Oh for God's sake. This is pathetic. Atleast do the responsible and admit that you were in the wrong. And if it weren't gun shots, why take it off the site?

Are you people that dense or just being especially hackish because you don't want to admit something? As someone that follows American politics, you know that the term "targeted district" does not mean an actual gun target.

I would have kept it up to explain it but I don't blame her for taking it down when you consider all of the foaming at the mouth over this. Certain people find it, twist it and then don't let her explain it.
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« Reply #520 on: January 09, 2011, 02:43:06 PM »

The killer was nothing more than a lunatic. He has been described as someone that hates those in power. He has views that match those of the far left and the far right. Time to accept that and stop blaming one side for this.
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« Reply #521 on: January 09, 2011, 02:44:11 PM »

I love the assumption that because he burns flags then therefore he's left-wing.
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« Reply #522 on: January 09, 2011, 02:46:34 PM »

I love the assumption that because he burns flags then therefore he's left-wing.

Anyone that assumes that is wrong...just like anyone that thinks being "anti government" is necessarily only extremely right wing.
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« Reply #523 on: January 09, 2011, 02:47:50 PM »

The killer was nothing more than a lunatic. He has been described as someone that hates those in power. He has views that match those of the far left and the far right. Time to accept that and stop blaming one side for this.


I agree with this, and I hate when you start becoming really sarcastic in your posts. Of course I don't fault Palin for this, she had nothing to do with it. The only thing I hold against her is her "rhetoric" shes used the past year or so. That goes for a lot of other people, and ive already said people should watch what they said whether they are Democrat or Republican.
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« Reply #524 on: January 09, 2011, 02:48:57 PM »

I love the assumption that because he burns flags then therefore he's left-wing.

Anyone that assumes that is wrong...just like anyone that thinks being "anti government" is necessarily only extremely right wing.

The bigger the government, the more left-wing it is.
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