Pacific Supreme Council Thread

[RI]

We could exempt cars from other regions for limited durations. I don't know how much that would help or not.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

The Re-Naming Act has passed with a vote of 3-0-1.

x ArchangelZero/The Doctor

Debate on the Anti-Fracking Bill and the The Ultimate Supply-Sides Economic Act is now open.

[CatoMinor]

We could exempt cars from other regions for limited durations. I don't know how much that would help or not.

Well the problem I have with that is why are we allowing others to do what we are essentially banning our own from?

I'll make a version as an a amendment later today, lets see if we can meet somewhere in the middle with it.

[RI]

We could exempt cars from other regions for limited durations. I don't know how much that would help or not.

Well the problem I have with that is why are we allowing others to do what we are essentially banning our own from?

Because we can't control what other regions do; we can only control (to an extent) what ours does. We're not the Senate.

I've been thinking about the tourism aspect, and a problem with exempting cars from other regions is that, with this transition, businesses should (if they want to make money) transition some of their infrastructure over (such as gas stations to charging stations or whatnot), so there won't be many places for out-of-region cars to fill up at. Unless 'fuel stations' as a concept goes out of business altogether... I'm really not sure what would happen in this aspect of things.

Then again, vehicles necessary for interregional commerce are exempt, so I don't know if this falls under that or not. Damn expansive commerce clauses that could mean anything.

[RI]

I made a couple changes:

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The five times per month number is changeable. I pretty much just picked it at random.

[RI]

I think my bills have been on the floor for more than three days now, fyi.

[CatoMinor]

I offer as an amendment to Realistic's bill:

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[CatoMinor]

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[Citizen (The) Doctor]

Would you all just like to push a vote on realistics' bills now or debate Jbrase's amendment?

If I have to put it to a vote now, I'll be pushing the original text.

[RI]

Would you all just like to push a vote on realistics' bills now or debate Jbrase's amendment?

If I have to put it to a vote now, I'll be pushing the original text.

Would the vote be on my original bill or the revised version I posted?

Either way, we should probably hold a vote on the fracking bill, since it hasn't had any debate.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

The vote is now open on realistic's revised version of the Fracking bill.

[RI]

The vote is now open on realistic's revised version of the Fracking bill.

As far as I know, there should only be one version of the Fracking bill. Assuming we mean this:

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Another Fracking Ban: Aye

[Хahar 🤔]

Yea

[CatoMinor]

Aye

[Fuzzybigfoot]

Aye

[RI]

As for the USSEA, I'd like to get fuzzy and Xahar's opinions on the matter before I make any decisions.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

The motion passes 4-0.

x ArchangelZero/The Doctor

Debate is now open on the Sylvester-Tom Bill.  The chair has recognized the motion to extend debate on USSEA.

[CatoMinor]

Any thoughts on my amendment to the USSEA?

And you'd have to be heartless vote vote against my bill and if there is any confusion about the name of the bill:
 

[RI]

Any thoughts on my amendment to the USSEA?

I've always been a big believer in getting things done, as in actually solving problems. It just makes sense to me to try to, whenever feasible, completely fix a problem, especially for big ones, rather than take incremental steps without any guarantee of not just kicking the ball down the road. That's why I wrote the bill I did, because most bills about alternative energy are what I see as kicking the ball down the road and hoping that maybe someday we'll get there.

Your amendment is more of an incremental one than the complete overhaul that I would like. I'm pretty confident that I could get the bill passed as is, so I don't see a ton of incentive to tear it apart. That said, I am willing to incorporate some of the ideas in your amendment into your bill, such as the incentives to manufacturers for developing these cars (though I think they should have a good incentive already), and if there is anything specific that you think should be changed, I'm open to it, though I really believe that to work the 'mandate' must be in place. My bill is authoritarian, I suppose, but I don't think that is an inherently bad thing, especially when we're supplying most of the means to do it at as little out-of-pocket cost as possible to individuals.

That said, if Xahar and/or Fuzzy have a big issue with my bill, I suppose I might have to do something about it, but I haven't heard anything as of yet.

[CatoMinor]

I also much prefer the rational comprehensive model of making policy over the incremental model, however something such as this where gasoline/diesel powered vehicles have become such an important part of our lives that your complete overhaul of how we use gas powered cars would have very negative side effects. Like moving fish from one tank to another, if you just simply put a fish in something new right away without time to adjust your gonna hurt them. 

[RI]

Like moving fish from one tank to another, if you just simply put a fish in something new right away without time to adjust your gonna hurt them. 

I did try to space out when the various sections come into effect. People would have two years between the time when the vouchers begin to be distributed and when the ban goes into effect.

Timeline:
1. January 1, 2012: Beginning of voucher distribution
2. June 1, 2012: Beginning of gas price increases
3. January 1, 2014: Ban on gasoline vehicles in effect and end of gas price increases
4. June 1, 2014: End of voucher distribution

Is this timeline inadequate? I can move it all out an additional year if you think development is a serious concern.

[RI]

An amended version of the USSEA:

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What do you think of my changes Jbrase?

[RI]

Any comments on the revised bill? If not, I'd like to end debate as soon as possible.

[CatoMinor]

I'm not in love with the bill, but I'll vote for it.

[RI]

I'm not in love with the bill, but I'll vote for it.

In light of such, I move that we end debate on the USSEA and put the measure to a vote.