MA: Freedom to Consume Alchol in Public Bill (Debating)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Public consumption I might be able to be swayed to allow.  But no way will I ever vote for the allowance of public intoxication.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I'd still need some persuading.  Although I'm on the fence now.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I'm still not convinced of why this is a good idea, and as of now, plan on voting NAY.  If anybody so chooses, I'm open to hearing why I should vote AYE.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Coming from somebody who lives in a college town and sees this a lot... cops' priorities aren't to go bust people consuming publicly.  I'd say 80%+ of the time, you have to be doing something first before receiving a citation / getting arrested.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

You draw the line objectively... so no drinking period.  That way, there's no subjectivity.  But you still give police the option of not actively enforcing it until it becomes a problem.  That way, if you choose to break the law, you run the risk yourself of getting cited.  You may be perfectly sober, but you still choose to take that risk.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

The mere state of intoxication shouldn't necessarily be a problem either.

Until they endager those around them with amplified emotions and rash action. This isn't even a party we're talking about or some sort of gathering. This is drinking on a light rail where there are others to think of.

Then those that threaten someone should be punished for that, but that's not a reason to limit everyone's freedom.

It's a nice stance to take that we shouldn't limit freedoms of everyone, just punish those who do wrong.  But how many stories do we see of "Drunk man falls off railway platform" ... it seems every few months there's another story.  So, if we open this up to it being permissible, you may be able to argue that "we'll simply arrest those who push people onto the rails / fall onto the rails," but how many times are the cops not gonna get there until after the train runs somebody over?  It's a bad idea, and I'm opposed to this law.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

It's funny, but I don't hear about too many drunk people falling onto the rails or being pushed onto them in Germany...

Is Atlasia/America that bad at handling alcohol?

Yes, just look at the at the general safety of the Autobahnen

Exactly. Though I'm not sure how the fact that the Autobahn is one of the safest road systems in the world ties into this.

I think his point was that Americans are less responsible.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well, DUI over there is above 0.05.  Here's it's 0.08... so we're already starting at a higher level.