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« on: May 15, 2011, 10:59:30 AM »

People still think that sex scandals matter in France as much as they do in the US.

If he's in prison in New York, he can't campaign in France.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 11:22:45 AM »

Thank you Fab, I'm glad to see we are in agreement there.

You're welcome.
I respect men and women, whatever their opinions (though I have some exceptions, like Panzergirl Grin and though I must acknowledge it's difficult for me to have great consideration for Besancenot, Bayrou, Hamon and Villepin Tongue).

What I feel very badly is the media and Internet curée... It's just disgusting.
And even if it's true, why not wait for some sounder pieces of facts ?

I'm surprised that the first comments are only in 2 categories:
- DSK is sexually obsessed (Panzergirl, Bernard Debré, the Internet mob)
- it's a conspiracy (Boutin, Le Guen, some socialists rank-and-file).
Why not consider an attempt by one person to have some celebrity ?
This is what I think most likely (though not certain at all, don't make me say what I haven't said).

No one in New York knows who DSK is well enough to think that accusing him of rape would get them celebrity.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 12:14:37 PM »

Thank you Fab, I'm glad to see we are in agreement there.

You're welcome.
I respect men and women, whatever their opinions (though I have some exceptions, like Panzergirl Grin and though I must acknowledge it's difficult for me to have great consideration for Besancenot, Bayrou, Hamon and Villepin Tongue).

What I feel very badly is the media and Internet curée... It's just disgusting.
And even if it's true, why not wait for some sounder pieces of facts ?

I'm surprised that the first comments are only in 2 categories:
- DSK is sexually obsessed (Panzergirl, Bernard Debré, the Internet mob)
- it's a conspiracy (Boutin, Le Guen, some socialists rank-and-file).
Why not consider an attempt by one person to have some celebrity ?
This is what I think most likely (though not certain at all, don't make me say what I haven't said).

No one in New York knows who DSK is well enough to think that accusing him of rape would get them celebrity.

It seems that medias from all over the world, including the US, have big titles on this.

Doesn't mean anyone knew who he was beforehand--certainly not anyone who isn't involved in international law/finance/journalism (like a hotel worker). It's just a juicy story. Also, had he been arrested in, say, Moscow, the American media would barely care at all.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2011, 11:29:47 AM »
« Edited: May 17, 2011, 11:32:45 AM by Verily »

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Fleeing for him would be like admitting his guiltiness, and thus authomatically becoming one of the most hated person in the world. Wherever he goes, he would almost certainly be extraded, if only due to popular pressure. And even if he weren't, he couldn't in any way "live the high life" anymore, his goods would probably be frozen and all this. If he considers that he has decent chances be acquitted (and he has, independently from his innocence : he can still be acquitted on benefit of the doubt).
And anyways, as I've said, the police still could easily keep him under control outside of jail. Assigning him a residence should have been enough.

He was fleeing the country when he was arrested. I don't see how you think this means he wouldn't try to flee again.

And the world has seen the disgusting reactions of the French to this affair. He might not be a Presidential candidate, but he'd be welcomed back with open arms by a large segment of the French elite were he to flee now.
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 09:08:08 AM »

CSA apparently has a poll out saying that 60% of French believe DSK was set up. Yeah, he definitely isn't a flight risk and definitely wouldn't be welcomed with open arms...
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