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« on: March 13, 2012, 01:13:30 AM »

May France be red.
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 11:32:24 PM »

Just like Santorum will win the Republican Nomination.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 09:21:08 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 11:59:35 PM »
« Edited: April 18, 2012, 12:02:59 AM by seatown »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
No, absolutely not. http://www.economist.com/node/12607041?story_id=12607041
The economist is a right-wing news agency. Might as well ask Glenn Beck about it. Just the mention of Europe will have neutrons firing off Socialism in his brain. This is pretty much like calling Obama a socialist.
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 08:40:02 PM »


I actually think he's an asset to the Left. I mean, he's openly critical of the NHS.

It's a shame criticism of the NHS helps the left (though it's almost certainly so, unfortunately).

I haven't been paying the French election much attention until now, but I hope to give it more attention in the coming months (which, frankly, it deserves). Some first thoughts:
- Hollande will almost certainly win.
- Hollande, Sarkozy, lePen, Melenchon, and Bayrou seem like they'll be the only candidates to break 10%. It's very difficult for me to support any of the five, but the Front National scares me a bit, so I suppose I'll back Sarkozy as the most right-wing but not-scary person running. With luck, France will drift sane-right over time (a la American GOP minus social (religious, cultural, such as abortion, gay marriage) issues).
Didn't France try the American approach for past five years? Guess where they are now...
No, absolutely not. http://www.economist.com/node/12607041?story_id=12607041
The economist is a right-wing news agency. Might as well ask Glenn Beck about it. Just the mention of Europe will have neutrons firing off Socialism in his brain. This is pretty much like calling Obama a socialist.
The Economist does tilt to the right, but this article includes the following specific excerpts I was trying to point out:

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I think most Democrats wouldn't even contemplate some of the actions in the first paragraph (though, then again, some would). And then, in the second paragraph, we see Moscovici saying Sarkozy isn't left-wing enough, which proves my basic point.


Sarkozy is a Statist who favors the rich. Hollande is "Socialist"who favors state solutions that benefit the have-nots. Democrats cannot pass left-wing legislation because of a right-wing faction in their party(Blue dogs), I think we call agree that the dogs are right-wingers. Also depending on your ideology you might think that the (New) Democratic party itself is right-wing. There are a few right-wingers that are congratulating Obama behind the scenes for passing right-wing laws too. They can't do it openly because of self-censure(aka the RINO phenomenon).
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 03:06:40 AM »
« Edited: April 19, 2012, 04:41:25 AM by Comrade Sibboleth »

This isn't looking good at all.

*Sigh* I like Sarkozy.

He will be missed. Sad

No. I refuse to give up. France can't go the way of Greece and Spain with Hollande. People need to wake up in the polling booths and realize this is no time to be throwing the UMP out for something as risky as the Socialists.
No, they need to tell Germany and EU neoliberalists to [inks]  off. Considering that with France being red, it's time to turn on the neoliberalist owners and basically shutdown threaten to shutdown trade in Europe if Germany doesn't want to give France, Spain, Greece etc more favorable terms, considering they have been  those countries for past 10 years.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/2006German_exports.PNG
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 03:45:40 AM »


The economist is a right-wing news agency. Might as well ask Glenn Beck about it.
Not... exactly.

Ok, there is  a difference between the economist and crazy, but hyperbole was necessary.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2012, 02:55:56 PM »

I think Sarkozy is done now that Bayrou endorsed Hollande.
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