Herb Kohl apparently retiring.

[they don't love you like i love you]

People also ignore just how nutty that convention Webster was speaking at was and instead just focus only on Grayson taking the statement out of context. Simply speaking at something like that is enough reason to keep someone out of public office.

[Keystone Phil]

and the Steelers (soon to be 6 time Super Bowl Champs )

The Steelers have already won six Super Bowls.

[Nichlemn]

Whether you think Grayson or Bachmann is the "bigger nutter" depends heavily on whether you generally agree with them. It's not just partisan hackery, it reflects the fundamental differences in beliefs. It's nearly impossible to evaluate their beliefs objectively without degrading to a partisan sludgematch.

If you genuinely believe that Republicans are evil and Democrats are good (or vice versa), you're going to call the statement "Democrats are evil" hyperbole but not "Republicans are evil", even though they're the exact same statement with the party labels switched around, because hey, Republicans really are evil, right?

[SvenssonRS]

People also ignore just how nutty that convention Webster was speaking at was and instead just focus only on Grayson taking the statement out of context. Simply speaking at something like that is enough reason to keep someone out of public office.

Let's not forget, that wasn't the only instance in which Alan Grayson was a freakish nutjob. He practically made being one his entire career.

Well, until he lost, thus ruining any chance he'll ever have of returning. Ever.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The new law in Florida means they can't draw the Orlando area anymore without any Democratic districts. A new Democratic seat based in Orlando means ALAN GRAYSON can win. RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON!

Please don't ever compare those two again...ever!  During his time in office, Feingold was one of the most independent-minded, ethical, and fearless members of Congress (not to mention, a progressive champion and a Democrat with a spine).  Alan Grayson is simply a Democratic version of Bachmann.  It's really a big insult to Feingold to compare him to Grayson.  Also, there is no reason to think Grayson will win Orlando's new Democratic seat (thankfully).

And that's a gross insult of Grayson to compare hyperbole over the GOP's lack of a substantive alternative health care plan and splicing a quote for campaign commercial excusing an extreme fundy social conservative of being an extreme social fundy conservative with "Ms. 1000 yard stare" herself.

But either way, I still say Grayson and Feingold are both overrated.

First off, Grayson's ad essentially accused Webster of being a misogynist and equated him with the Taliban (unless there is some legitimate basis for such a claim, which there wasn't, that's not okay period, as far as I'm concerned).  Grayson may not be quite as bad as Bachmann, but they are cut from the same cloth.  They are both examples of the polarization, smears, and demonization of those with differing viewpoints that has polluted American politics for the past decade (especially since Obama was elected).  I'll be the first to argue that the Republicans deserve something like 70-80% of the blame for this (and probably more during Obama's presidency), but the fact is that there are some extremists on my side too (though few, if any are as bad as the tea party).  The extremists that exist on my side (that is, those that are liberal Democrats) need to be called out too.  Alan Grayson and Michele Bachmann are both examples of the same problem, which is why all of the Grayson apologists who defend him while criticizing Bachmann can be so frustrating.   

Webster's voting record on social issues was extreme even by southern standards. There's little more misogynistic than proposing a "covenant marriage" as Webster did that would essentially eliminate almost every legal grounds for marriage including domestic violence. The fact that such a marriage could only be entered into "voluntarily" so it might only apply to women pressured by their families or fiances (abusers tend to be emotionally dominating types demanding absolute compliance with their wishes) is hardly any comfort or excuse to any legislator who thinks that having your husband kicking your teeth out isn't sufficient grounds "in the eyes of God" for the sin of divorce.

No, Webster isn't literally about to go to Kandahar and fire RPG's at US forces, but his social views such as his proposed law above, and many like it, are reminiscent of Taliban style Sharia law. The fact he bases it on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible instead of the Koran shouldn't matter if the end result is the same.

Again, I'm not defending Grayson overall--he's vastly overrated and couldn't control his rhetoric. But I balk heavily at saying just because Grayson is arguably "the worst" among Democrats for irresponsible statements, and Bachmann is (among) the worst for Republicans saying stupid crazy things they believe, somehow means they're both "equal". And, while you're not falling for it, I'm tired of too many people taking the intellectually lazy way out of saying "they're all just as bad as the other". That's like saying the Seahawks (7-9) and the Steelers (soon to be 6 time Super Bowl Champs ) are comparably good team because they both finished first in their division.

The end result being that everytime Beck says something utterly insane on his show, or Louis Gohmert or Bachmann, or one of a hundred other nuts on that side of the aisle says something cringingly stupid and off the wall, no matter how bad it is liberal commentators and congressmembers suffer just as bad as conservatives because of the constant refrain "Their all just the same. They're all just as bad".

I'm not saying Webster doesn't hold some extremist views, but I do think that Grayson's ad crossed the line (specifically by equating his opponent with the Taliban, that sort of stuff doesn't belong in political discourse).  Grayson could've run an ad about what Webster actually said, the Taliban comparison was wrong, period.  It wasn't wrong because Webster's Christian and the Taliban are Muslim, it was wrong because they're is a terrorist organization that has tortured and murdered people and Webster is a right-wing Congressman with some extreme views (it's an insult to the victims of the Taliban to compare the two).  For the record, I do believe that Bachmann is worse than Grayson, but that is beside the point.  The point is that this stuff isn't okay no matter who does it and it's not a defense to say that the other side is worse, even though that's true (I know you weren't saying that was an excuse).  Another problem I have with the ad is that Grayson's campaign edited Webster's statements mid-sentance in the ad so that it looked like Webster was saying something he wasn't saying.  Btw, I  agreed with what you said about how frustrating the intellectually lazy responses are

[Napoleon]

^

+1 for civility and rationality.

[Torie]

People also ignore just how nutty that convention Webster was speaking at was and instead just focus only on Grayson taking the statement out of context. Simply speaking at something like that is enough reason to keep someone out of public office.

What convention was that?  Might you have a link BRTD? Thanks.

[they don't love you like i love you]

http://politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/sep/28/alan-grayson/alan-grayson-calls-opponent-taliban-daniel-webster/

It's a source critical of Grayson's ad too, but it does cover what Webster was speaking at:

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The one in bold I found most bizarre, and there's more info here: http://www.pfo.org/evol-fad.htm

But put simply this is a group which is far out of the mainstream even by fundie standards.

People also ignore just how nutty that convention Webster was speaking at was and instead just focus only on Grayson taking the statement out of context. Simply speaking at something like that is enough reason to keep someone out of public office.

Let's not forget, that wasn't the only instance in which Alan Grayson was a freakish nutjob. He practically made being one his entire career.

Well, until he lost, thus ruining any chance he'll ever have of returning. Ever.

What if a D+15 or so seat is drawn where he lives? It's very likely under Florida's new redistricting law. The Republicans can't deny the Democrats any districts in the Orlando area under fair drawing of the lines.

[JohnnyLongtorso]

What exactly does Alan Grayson have to do with the fact that Herb Kohl is apparently not retiring (at least, not yet)?

[they don't love you like i love you]

He came up when I was discussing about how much I want both Feingold and Grayson back.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

http://politifact.com/florida/statements/2010/sep/28/alan-grayson/alan-grayson-calls-opponent-taliban-daniel-webster/

It's a source critical of Grayson's ad too, but it does cover what Webster was speaking at:

You must be logged in to read this quote.

The one in bold I found most bizarre, and there's more info here: http://www.pfo.org/evol-fad.htm

But put simply this is a group which is far out of the mainstream even by fundie standards.

People also ignore just how nutty that convention Webster was speaking at was and instead just focus only on Grayson taking the statement out of context. Simply speaking at something like that is enough reason to keep someone out of public office.

Let's not forget, that wasn't the only instance in which Alan Grayson was a freakish nutjob. He practically made being one his entire career.

Well, until he lost, thus ruining any chance he'll ever have of returning. Ever.

What if a D+15 or so seat is drawn where he lives? It's very likely under Florida's new redistricting law. The Republicans can't deny the Democrats any districts in the Orlando area under fair drawing of the lines.

None of which justifies Grayson's ad.

[Badger]

and the Steelers (soon to be 6 time Super Bowl Champs )

The Steelers have already won six Super Bowls.

D'OH!! I wasn't sure whether to write "current six time champs" or "soon to be seven time champs" and did neither. Correction forthwith, but thank you Phil for immortalizing a post that will forever undermine my cred in Steeler Nation.

[Badger]

The new law in Florida means they can't draw the Orlando area anymore without any Democratic districts. A new Democratic seat based in Orlando means ALAN GRAYSON can win. RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON!

Please don't ever compare those two again...ever!  During his time in office, Feingold was one of the most independent-minded, ethical, and fearless members of Congress (not to mention, a progressive champion and a Democrat with a spine).  Alan Grayson is simply a Democratic version of Bachmann.  It's really a big insult to Feingold to compare him to Grayson.  Also, there is no reason to think Grayson will win Orlando's new Democratic seat (thankfully).

And that's a gross insult of Grayson to compare hyperbole over the GOP's lack of a substantive alternative health care plan and splicing a quote for campaign commercial excusing an extreme fundy social conservative of being an extreme social fundy conservative with "Ms. 1000 yard stare" herself.

But either way, I still say Grayson and Feingold are both overrated.

First off, Grayson's ad essentially accused Webster of being a misogynist and equated him with the Taliban (unless there is some legitimate basis for such a claim, which there wasn't, that's not okay period, as far as I'm concerned).  Grayson may not be quite as bad as Bachmann, but they are cut from the same cloth.  They are both examples of the polarization, smears, and demonization of those with differing viewpoints that has polluted American politics for the past decade (especially since Obama was elected).  I'll be the first to argue that the Republicans deserve something like 70-80% of the blame for this (and probably more during Obama's presidency), but the fact is that there are some extremists on my side too (though few, if any are as bad as the tea party).  The extremists that exist on my side (that is, those that are liberal Democrats) need to be called out too.  Alan Grayson and Michele Bachmann are both examples of the same problem, which is why all of the Grayson apologists who defend him while criticizing Bachmann can be so frustrating.   

Webster's voting record on social issues was extreme even by southern standards. There's little more misogynistic than proposing a "covenant marriage" as Webster did that would essentially eliminate almost every legal grounds for marriage including domestic violence. The fact that such a marriage could only be entered into "voluntarily" so it might only apply to women pressured by their families or fiances (abusers tend to be emotionally dominating types demanding absolute compliance with their wishes) is hardly any comfort or excuse to any legislator who thinks that having your husband kicking your teeth out isn't sufficient grounds "in the eyes of God" for the sin of divorce.

No, Webster isn't literally about to go to Kandahar and fire RPG's at US forces, but his social views such as his proposed law above, and many like it, are reminiscent of Taliban style Sharia law. The fact he bases it on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible instead of the Koran shouldn't matter if the end result is the same.

Again, I'm not defending Grayson overall--he's vastly overrated and couldn't control his rhetoric. But I balk heavily at saying just because Grayson is arguably "the worst" among Democrats for irresponsible statements, and Bachmann is (among) the worst for Republicans saying stupid crazy things they believe, somehow means they're both "equal". And, while you're not falling for it, I'm tired of too many people taking the intellectually lazy way out of saying "they're all just as bad as the other". That's like saying the Seahawks (7-9) and the Steelers (soon to be 6 time Super Bowl Champs ) are comparably good team because they both finished first in their division.

The end result being that everytime Beck says something utterly insane on his show, or Louis Gohmert or Bachmann, or one of a hundred other nuts on that side of the aisle says something cringingly stupid and off the wall, no matter how bad it is liberal commentators and congressmembers suffer just as bad as conservatives because of the constant refrain "Their all just the same. They're all just as bad".

I'm not saying Webster doesn't hold some extremist views, but I do think that Grayson's ad crossed the line (specifically by equating his opponent with the Taliban, that sort of stuff doesn't belong in political discourse).  Grayson could've run an ad about what Webster actually said, the Taliban comparison was wrong, period.  It wasn't wrong because Webster's Christian and the Taliban are Muslim, it was wrong because they're is a terrorist organization that has tortured and murdered people and Webster is a right-wing Congressman with some extreme views (it's an insult to the victims of the Taliban to compare the two).  For the record, I do believe that Bachmann is worse than Grayson, but that is beside the point.  The point is that this stuff isn't okay no matter who does it and it's not a defense to say that the other side is worse, even though that's true (I know you weren't saying that was an excuse).  Another problem I have with the ad is that Grayson's campaign edited Webster's statements mid-sentance in the ad so that it looked like Webster was saying something he wasn't saying.  Btw, I  agreed with what you said about how frustrating the intellectually lazy responses are

I actually 90% agree with everything you wrote. My point isn't that Bachmann, or Gohmert, or Beck, or  DeMint, or Limbaugh, or Palin, or King, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. makes Grayson crossing the line okay. My point is we need to distinguish between a congressman who went over the line in an ad and engaged in a bit of hyperbole on the House floor to mock the utter paucity of the GOP's joke of a health reform "plan", with a congresswomen--plus many other prominent other of her rabid right wing colleagues--who have made countless statements of their beliefs that push them past mere extremely conservative or "provaocative" to outright bats#it insane.

Nichlmen's comment above that much of perception as to who is more crazy and extreme depends on which side of the political fence one is is aaccurate re: the way most way most detaatched voters watching the news out of the cormer of their eye see things, but dead wrong in terms of whether its actually accurate. This is more than an issue of semantics: The more prominaent and powerful nutcakes on the right display the bizzaroworld that is their thought process, the more even the most reasonable and rational outspoken advocates on the left (of which I do not incluide Grayson) get labeled as merely equally crazy and extreme counterparts to borderline mental cases like Bachmann, Beck, Gohmert and Beck. That's all I'm saying. [/threadjack]

[Torie]

He came up when I was discussing about how much I want both Feingold and Grayson back.

Thanks for the link BRTD. Yes, the outfit has achieved escape velocity, and is headed to places where relatively few mere humans have gone before.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The new law in Florida means they can't draw the Orlando area anymore without any Democratic districts. A new Democratic seat based in Orlando means ALAN GRAYSON can win. RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON!

Please don't ever compare those two again...ever!  During his time in office, Feingold was one of the most independent-minded, ethical, and fearless members of Congress (not to mention, a progressive champion and a Democrat with a spine).  Alan Grayson is simply a Democratic version of Bachmann.  It's really a big insult to Feingold to compare him to Grayson.  Also, there is no reason to think Grayson will win Orlando's new Democratic seat (thankfully).

And that's a gross insult of Grayson to compare hyperbole over the GOP's lack of a substantive alternative health care plan and splicing a quote for campaign commercial excusing an extreme fundy social conservative of being an extreme social fundy conservative with "Ms. 1000 yard stare" herself.

But either way, I still say Grayson and Feingold are both overrated.

First off, Grayson's ad essentially accused Webster of being a misogynist and equated him with the Taliban (unless there is some legitimate basis for such a claim, which there wasn't, that's not okay period, as far as I'm concerned).  Grayson may not be quite as bad as Bachmann, but they are cut from the same cloth.  They are both examples of the polarization, smears, and demonization of those with differing viewpoints that has polluted American politics for the past decade (especially since Obama was elected).  I'll be the first to argue that the Republicans deserve something like 70-80% of the blame for this (and probably more during Obama's presidency), but the fact is that there are some extremists on my side too (though few, if any are as bad as the tea party).  The extremists that exist on my side (that is, those that are liberal Democrats) need to be called out too.  Alan Grayson and Michele Bachmann are both examples of the same problem, which is why all of the Grayson apologists who defend him while criticizing Bachmann can be so frustrating.   

Webster's voting record on social issues was extreme even by southern standards. There's little more misogynistic than proposing a "covenant marriage" as Webster did that would essentially eliminate almost every legal grounds for marriage including domestic violence. The fact that such a marriage could only be entered into "voluntarily" so it might only apply to women pressured by their families or fiances (abusers tend to be emotionally dominating types demanding absolute compliance with their wishes) is hardly any comfort or excuse to any legislator who thinks that having your husband kicking your teeth out isn't sufficient grounds "in the eyes of God" for the sin of divorce.

No, Webster isn't literally about to go to Kandahar and fire RPG's at US forces, but his social views such as his proposed law above, and many like it, are reminiscent of Taliban style Sharia law. The fact he bases it on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible instead of the Koran shouldn't matter if the end result is the same.

Again, I'm not defending Grayson overall--he's vastly overrated and couldn't control his rhetoric. But I balk heavily at saying just because Grayson is arguably "the worst" among Democrats for irresponsible statements, and Bachmann is (among) the worst for Republicans saying stupid crazy things they believe, somehow means they're both "equal". And, while you're not falling for it, I'm tired of too many people taking the intellectually lazy way out of saying "they're all just as bad as the other". That's like saying the Seahawks (7-9) and the Steelers (soon to be 6 time Super Bowl Champs ) are comparably good team because they both finished first in their division.

The end result being that everytime Beck says something utterly insane on his show, or Louis Gohmert or Bachmann, or one of a hundred other nuts on that side of the aisle says something cringingly stupid and off the wall, no matter how bad it is liberal commentators and congressmembers suffer just as bad as conservatives because of the constant refrain "Their all just the same. They're all just as bad".

I'm not saying Webster doesn't hold some extremist views, but I do think that Grayson's ad crossed the line (specifically by equating his opponent with the Taliban, that sort of stuff doesn't belong in political discourse).  Grayson could've run an ad about what Webster actually said, the Taliban comparison was wrong, period.  It wasn't wrong because Webster's Christian and the Taliban are Muslim, it was wrong because they're is a terrorist organization that has tortured and murdered people and Webster is a right-wing Congressman with some extreme views (it's an insult to the victims of the Taliban to compare the two).  For the record, I do believe that Bachmann is worse than Grayson, but that is beside the point.  The point is that this stuff isn't okay no matter who does it and it's not a defense to say that the other side is worse, even though that's true (I know you weren't saying that was an excuse).  Another problem I have with the ad is that Grayson's campaign edited Webster's statements mid-sentance in the ad so that it looked like Webster was saying something he wasn't saying.  Btw, I  agreed with what you said about how frustrating the intellectually lazy responses are

I actually 90% agree with everything you wrote. My point isn't that Bachmann, or Gohmert, or Beck, or  DeMint, or Limbaugh, or Palin, or King, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. makes Grayson crossing the line okay. My point is we need to distinguish between a congressman who went over the line in an ad and engaged in a bit of hyperbole on the House floor to mock the utter paucity of the GOP's joke of a health reform "plan", with a congresswomen--plus many other prominent other of her rabid right wing colleagues--who have made countless statements of their beliefs that push them past mere extremely conservative or "provaocative" to outright bats#it insane.

Nichlmen's comment above that much of perception as to who is more crazy and extreme depends on which side of the political fence one is is aaccurate re: the way most way most detaatched voters watching the news out of the cormer of their eye see things, but dead wrong in terms of whether its actually accurate. This is more than an issue of semantics: The more prominaent and powerful nutcakes on the right display the bizzaroworld that is their thought process, the more even the most reasonable and rational outspoken advocates on the left (of which I do not incluide Grayson) get labeled as merely equally crazy and extreme counterparts to borderline mental cases like Bachmann, Beck, Gohmert and Beck. That's all I'm saying. [/threadjack]

I agree with you about that completely.  It is not a question of opinion, it is simply factually wrong to suggest that both sides are anything close to equally bad.  The tea party is dominated by extremists and if they tell the rest of the Republican party to jump, the Republican party's only question is "how high?"  The left has a few people like Grayson, Steve Cohen (maybe?) but honestly, there really aren't that many other liberal extremists who have real influence (and before someone drags up posts from the dailykos, random kos posters think about how much influence they really have).  On the right you have Beck, Bachmann, Palin, Gohmert, Paul (both of them), Gingrich, Hannity, Limbaugh, Steve King, Toomey, the Club for Growth, the tea party in general, DeMint, Perry, Schmidt, Issa, Joe Arpaio, Coburn, Inhofe, etc, etc, etc.

[they don't love you like i love you]

What is so extreme about Cohen?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

What is so extreme about Cohen?

Cohen compared Republicans calling Obama's healthcare bill a government takeover to Goebbels/what the Nazis said about Jews.  I have been appalled by the way in which Nazi comparisons are becoming a part of political discourse in the U.S. (once again, Republicans in general and Fox News in particular are far, far, far more at fault here, but once again, that is no excuse).  I am aware that Cohen is Jewish and that only makes it worse because he of all people should know better.  It doesn't matter whether he was only using the comparison to make a point, Nazi comparisons are wrong period.   

[Capitan Zapp Brannigan]

Going back to the actual topic, there has been some news on the Kohl front.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/01/kohl-loans-warc.php

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Can anyone name a signature accomplishment by Kohl?

Having cause, by retirement rumour, an orgasm among many poster?

[Keystone Phil]

Going back to the actual topic, there has been some news on the Kohl front.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2011/01/kohl-loans-warc.php

Yeah, my source ended up telling me today that he guesses he was wrong about this. Sorry for the false alarm. 

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

As of Grayson, while I agree a lot with his views, truth is, he's a clown, a Democratic version of Michele Bachmann: both would be extremely annoying hacks if ever posted on Atlas. He's nothing in a comparision to such a man like Russ Feingold. Period.