Am I alone in thinking...

[Insula Dei]

that Tmth's campaign is lacking in substance?

He's having a decent chance to be Atlasia's next President and yet 10 days before the election I don't know where he stands on, you know, the issues. I know he's trying to get elected on the 'nice and polite guy' platform, and that's fine by me. But shouldn't he at least try to take some positions on difficult issues that goes beyond a generic 'this is obviously an important issue' or some unexciting middle-of-the-road position taking. He seems to be afraid to not win an election everybody has been predicting he'd win for weeks if not months.

And frankly the few things he does take a position on seem misguided to me. His promise to veto
 a raise to the debt-ceiling or his vague promises of 'across the board cuts' are bad enough, but wouldn't actually affect the game itself. His position on the # of posts you need to get into the game would. Take this from a new member, if you have no interest in the Forum at large, you won't have any serious interest in earnestly engaging people in Atlasia. Getting off-site people in here (which is extremely likely to happen under a RPP administration) would get this game flooded either by Hamilton's, by Stormfronnt thugs or by everybody's worst nightmare 'voter zombies'.

I think that Tmth's panicky eagerness to go trough the motions and get elected on a generic platform shouldn't stop the rest of us from criticizing these positions. Even if we're unlikely to stop Atlasia from making a very bad decision, we'd at least have warned it.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Well, as much as I like Tmthforu personally, I have to agree with some conclusions. I was worried about off-site thing during recruitments and I proposed to put an attention on on-site folks. I mean, you remember when Pops were literally chasing the people from the street and put in Assembly, so Northeast finally collapsed?

[J. J.]

I think you have to make it more accessible to people already on the Atlas.

[Thomas D]

He has a campain thread if you want to ask direct questions.


 
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130099.0

[Insula Dei]

He has a campain thread if you want to ask direct questions.


 
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130099.0

Couldn't find that thread, sorry.

[J. J.]

He has a campain thread if you want to ask direct questions.


 
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130099.0

Couldn't find that thread, sorry.

The story of Atlasia

[tpfkaw]

It's a whole lot more substantial than either the Oakvale or the Ben campaigns.  I'd also like to challenge the assertion that he has any less "substance" than the Marokai campaign did, which was merely a couple policy planks of a few paragraphs in length that included such bold stands as "ask the game moderator for new ways to raise revenue" or "ask the game moderator for new ways to cut spending."

I can assure you that there aren't any "Stormfront thugs" among Tmth's off-Atlas friends.  If anything, you should be bracing yourself for a small trickle of generally-leftist voters under his administration.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

My suggestion would be to ask hard hitting, pressing questions then, if you think he is too vague or whatever.


Some of your assertions about what his administration would lead to are complete wild conjecture.

His position on the # of posts you need to get into the game would. Take this from a new member, if you have no interest in the Forum at large, you won't have any serious interest in earnestly engaging people in Atlasia. Getting off-site people in here (which is extremely likely to happen under a RPP administration) would get this game flooded either by Hamilton's, by Stormfronnt thugs or by everybody's worst nightmare 'voter zombies'.

How is tmth not interested in the forum at-large?


Why would off site recruiting be any more prevalent under tmth, then it was under Fritz (a guy who has advocated off site recruiting for years). The idea has its pros too, not just its cons and yes you have people who want to take advantage of it. But you need fired up motivated people to drive the game and make it active. As oldies get burned (like PS and Marokai just did), you have to have new people willing to apply the energy and fill the vacuum of activity.

[Marokai Backbeat]

People are just now coming to this conclusion?

It's a whole lot more substantial than either the Oakvale or the Ben campaigns.  I'd also like to challenge the assertion that he has any less "substance" than the Marokai campaign did, which was merely a couple policy planks of a few paragraphs in length that included such bold stands as "ask the game moderator for new ways to raise revenue" or "ask the game moderator for new ways to cut spending."

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130446.0

I'm pretty sure there's a whole lot more there than "ask the game moderator x".

Also, Tmth was practically begging Badger to do his own specific spending cuts for him, at one point. Give me a break.

[tpfkaw]

People are just now coming to this conclusion?

It's a whole lot more substantial than either the Oakvale or the Ben campaigns.  I'd also like to challenge the assertion that he has any less "substance" than the Marokai campaign did, which was merely a couple policy planks of a few paragraphs in length that included such bold stands as "ask the game moderator for new ways to raise revenue" or "ask the game moderator for new ways to cut spending."

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130446.0

I'm pretty sure there's a whole lot more there than "ask the game moderator x".

Also, Tmth was practically begging Badger to do his own specific spending cuts for him, at one point. Give me a break.

I was under the impression that you were leaving Atlasia forever.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Purple State is leaving Atlasia (and the forum) for the foreseeable future. I retired from politics, but I still read and will occasionally post when I see egregious errors (which is why I'm sure you and I will see plenty of each other!). I'm just free to say whatever I wish now.

[Insula Dei]

I can assure you that there aren't any "Stormfront thugs" among Tmth's off-Atlas friends.  If anything, you should be bracing yourself for a small trickle of generally-leftist voters under his administration.

I was talking off-site recruitment in general.

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The problem with Tmth's platform is that it mainly consists from generalities and things noone is goin to disagree with as well as a certain reluctance to really debate substance or to take a controversial position. Where is Tmth's misguided but passionate defense of not raising the debt ceiling when necessary? Where does he explain why he thinks off-site recruitment would be a good idea in a way that people could actually engage? Most of his campaign seems to be 'meh, people seem to like this idea, it probably is a good idea' or 'oh, you don't like that idea, oh well'.

Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

Is Tmth's presidency going to be a period of him being nice while vetoeing good legislation and him saying 'It's not me people' when his administration makes the real decisions?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I doubt the dude, who essentially is doing nothing beside trollish attack on opposite tickets, should even pretend to engage in a discussion here.

Yes, Wormy, it's you.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

I am sure that bgwah would love to know that he is a "tmth backer". That scene was hardly the work of one candidate or one party.

[Insula Dei]

Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

I am sure that bgwah would love to know that he is a "tmth backer". That scene was hardly the work of one candidate or one party.

It was the work of Wormyguy, a Tmth supporter, and I haven't heard a condemnation coming from Tmth (or his minions for that matter).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

I am sure that bgwah would love to know that he is a "tmth backer". That scene was hardly the work of one candidate or one party.

It was the work of Wormyguy, a Tmth supporter, and I haven't heard a condemnation coming from Tmth (or his minions for that matter).

I thought you were talking about the whole confrontation not just the first part with Wormy.

[Insula Dei]

Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

I am sure that bgwah would love to know that he is a "tmth backer". That scene was hardly the work of one candidate or one party.

It was the work of Wormyguy, a Tmth supporter, and I haven't heard a condemnation coming from Tmth (or his minions for that matter).

I thought you were talking about the whole confrontation not just the first part with Wormy.

I was talking about the really disgusting part.

The rest was just soap opera .

[tpfkaw]

Where is Tmth's misguided but passionate defense of not raising the debt ceiling when necessary?

Here.

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Here and here.

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Tmth doesn't attack his opponents enough?  That's a new one.  Actually that's an old one, but rather ridiculous, don't you think?  And shouldn't the nonsensical, untrue criticisms that are far more true of Oakvale/Ben be coming from Oakvale/Ben, not Belgiansocialist?  Incidentally, I challenge you to find a single post by me declaring my support for any presidential candidate.  I have made no endorsement in this race and will not until election day.

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Because it isn't him?  He has no control over what I say.  In fact he IMed me to delete my post.  Anyways, I fail to see how factually pointing out that feeding his obsession is not the best thing for him.

[Insula Dei]

Where is Tmth's misguided but passionate defense of not raising the debt ceiling when necessary?

Here.

That's Tmth saying 'The deficit is bad. We should not raise the debt ceiling.' not Tmth saying 'I know some of you don't like not raising the debt ceiling because some fear it'd throw the world economy into anarchy, but I support it because...' He just mentions it but doesn't defend it.

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First link doesn't mention off-site recruitment. Second one doesn't either. Both mention 'Welcome Commitees' which IMO is a pretty good idea, it also is a pretty generic idea.

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Good to see a solid Oakvale voter.

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You still don't see the problem with one of the most malignant posts I've ever seen on any board on this forum ever? You still don't see why that sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable? What I want to know is why Tmth appearantly did see the problem in private, as well as the backlash it could cause, but failed to comment on it publicly, even when someone as high-profile within one of the parties backing him as yourself was involved. If Obama would fail to condemn a Democratic Senator callin Palin a 'whore', you guys would lynch him, but in here it's no problem as long as Tmth doesn't go round insulting people himself?

Again, I have no problem with Tmth himself (he seems like a nice guy) but  have a problem with his campaigning style. He seems to lack the gusto for the sort of debate where people have different opinions and leaves too much of his actual campaigning to sidekicks like you (who not always share Tmth's niceness).

I'm waiting for an official condemnation by the Tmth campaign of your comments in that thread.

[Insula Dei]

I honestly hope 'Tmth's Stormfront Thugs' becomes a forum meme, if only because I never said anything of the sort. 

[Associate Justice PiT]

I honestly hope 'Tmth's Stormfront Thugs' becomes a forum meme, if only because I never said anything of the sort. 

     No, but what you did say was almost as mystifying, insofar as it neglected that the latest rounds of offsite recruiting occurred because of the directives of a JCP president.

[Insula Dei]

I honestly hope 'Tmth's Stormfront Thugs' becomes a forum meme, if only because I never said anything of the sort. 

     No, but what you did say was almost as mystifying, insofar as it neglected that the latest rounds of offsite recruiting occurred because of the directives of a JCP president.

I'm not accusing the RPP of wanting to overflow the forum with some Stormfront thugs, but I'm generally opposed to the concept of off-site recruitment and long term policies to encourage it, no matter who proposes it.

[Хahar 🤔]

tmth is like the Enda Kenny of Atlasia.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I honestly hope 'Tmth's Stormfront Thugs' becomes a forum meme, if only because I never said anything of the sort.  

     No, but what you did say was almost as mystifying, insofar as it neglected that the latest rounds of offsite recruiting occurred because of the directives of a JCP president.

I'm not accusing the RPP of wanting to overflow the forum with some Stormfront thugs, but I'm generally opposed to the concept of off-site recruitment and long term policies to encourage it, no matter who proposes it.

     Which is fine, but you said that an RPP administration would likely lead to offsite recruitment, which is misleading in two ways. One is that it would merely be the result of continuing the policies of the previous administration. The other is that it implies that any RPP candidate would support continuing offsite recruitment, which is (since the issue has never been polled, to my knowledge) an unfounded supposition. To my knowledge, only one member was recruited to join the RPP from offsite prior to the foundation of the PTFNMR.

[tpfkaw]

What's even more amusing is that Marokai himself was recruited from off-site.