Am I alone in thinking...

[J. J.]

Well, I did give you several hours, and I did put out a request earlier in general.  Taoisigh and I had a day's worth of conversations with him.  All the while, someone was trying to persuade me not to run, not to "split the right."  Now I see you claim that the only reason Taoisigh is running is to "split the left."

While ideology is important, so are the practical aspects of government.  I really don't care about the "Left" or the "Right."  I'm concerned with how Atlasia functions.

Most job shifts usually last more than an hour or two.

But I still had posted for a VP about 24 hours before I e-mailed you.

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I doubt if Taoisigh is trying to divide the right; I doubt if he's trying to divide the left either.  I chose him because he volunteered and because we agreed on the issues.

[tmthforu94]

Yes, it's me.

I know this might be a surprise, but I think J.J.  a)is talking sense here b)should be in a position to run if he wants to and c)might split the right and allow a leftwing victory in the Presidential election (cynical me!).

I don't think he could have made it any clearer that it's one of his main reasons.

[J. J.]

Yes, it's me.

I know this might be a surprise, but I think J.J.  a)is talking sense here b)should be in a position to run if he wants to and c)might split the right and allow a leftwing victory in the Presidential election (cynical me!).

I don't think he could have made it any clearer that it's one of his main reasons.

You also accused him of splitting the left.  WOW!  I never knew he was so popular!  He should be president!

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

[tmthforu94]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

[J. J.]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

     But if you could not find a running mate to form a ticket, then you could not split the right-wing vote. Therefore, a left-wing partisan would have a vested interest in you being able to find a running mate.

[J. J.]

This thread has totally lost me...

This is just ridiculous and demonstrates once again your lack of understanding and depth on this.

1. Tmth's campaign /= the RPP.


He is the RPP candidate and he gets to call the shots as far as his campaign goes. He doesn't however make "party strategy" which implies a more long term, broad-based approach then the tactical efforts involved in a single campaign.  Tmth has a voice on long term RPP stategy, but his voice is just as loud as yours would have been had you choose to excersize it, which you didn't. So spare me the complaints about how the RPP mistreated you or victimized you.

I blame it for how its elected representatives vote.

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Well, considering how well those who have partaken (see my recent ad), I really cannot see a difference.

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Sure, they have a right to say no, or not respond, or leave, but he also had a choice (unlike those of us registered in Atlasia).  He chose, for whatever reason, not to explore it.  That is on him.

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You seem to be disagreeing with one of your party's candidates; it wasn't me.  Split the right, remember?

These comments were directed to

WHat the hell are you talking about. You obviously haven't the slightest idea. I offered to hold an endorsement vote but both candidates had to agree to drop out if they lost. WHICH YOUR DAMN PARTY INSISTED ON AS WELL GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! J. J. refused the offer. What more do I have to offer him to not be considered as "giving him the cold shoulder"? I gave him a chance to compete for the endorsement and he declined. I am sick and tired of the sympathy card being played here. I not only asked J. J. but encouraged that he became an active Atlasian back in 2009. He refused and in his exact words, "insisted on being a zombie voter" to which I responded that I hoped he would change his mind. I can't force someone to take the initiative or motivate them to get active. I can ask and encourage and that is what I did.

I doubt it I used the words, at the time, "zombie voter." I don't recall hearing the term.  But, I've freely admitted that I wasn't interested in participating at the time.  

Anyone in the RPP had a chance to be my VP.  None applied.  And you have been partly responsible for me being active now.

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I'm not complaining, but Taoisigh certainly isn't part of some plot.  Like I said, he volunteered, and I only agreeded after he indicated he'd support my platform, such as it is.

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How about this?  After three days, one of the experience hands here, you still can't provide a link, that works, to a supposed statute that relates to voting and membership.  PiT can't either.  This is what experience and activity in Atlasia means?

[J. J.]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

     But if you could not find a running mate to form a ticket, then you could not split the right-wing vote. Therefore, a left-wing partisan would have a vested interest in you being able to find a running mate.

Yet it would work better with a right wing partisan; I gave the right the same chance.  I really was not looking for a left/right running mate.  I was looking for someone who agreed with me on the issues.

[J. J.]

2. One can't judge the apple, until he hath first partaketh of it. You have not.

I think this add shows how rotten that apple is:

How out of touch am I with Atlasian affairs?  Very  I freely admit it.  I've never paid attention in recent years.

I've been making the argument that this game needs clearer rules in order to attract new members.  We need reform to make things clearer for those of us that are not too active and are not part of those active. 

Some people say that is a problem and that only those that are really active should be elected.

Do you believe Atlasia should be a much larger force in international intervention efforts?

No. I would only support war currently if we were attacked by another country or posed a serious threat. As I’ve said before, I support cuts in the defense department, and I think we’re currently spending way too much there, specifically in funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I will be outlining those specific cuts later on in this debate.

In accordance with previous Presidential actions actually I believe we are already out of both.

Better due to activity?

Elect

J. J./TAOISIGH

A Smaller, Better, Easier, Atlasia

BTW:  He said it during the debate. 

[Associate Justice PiT]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

     But if you could not find a running mate to form a ticket, then you could not split the right-wing vote. Therefore, a left-wing partisan would have a vested interest in you being able to find a running mate.

Yet it would work better with a right wing partisan; I gave the right the same chance.  I really was not looking for a left/right running mate.  I was looking for someone who agreed with me on the issues.

     But a right-wing partisan would not be motivated by a desire to split the right. Besides, the candidate on the top of the ticket matters much more than the one on the bottom of the ticket in terms of voters' preferences. I doubt that a majority of the people who will be voting in the upcoming election will even be aware of your plan to resign a few weeks after taking office.

[J. J.]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

     But if you could not find a running mate to form a ticket, then you could not split the right-wing vote. Therefore, a left-wing partisan would have a vested interest in you being able to find a running mate.

Yet it would work better with a right wing partisan; I gave the right the same chance.  I really was not looking for a left/right running mate.  I was looking for someone who agreed with me on the issues.

     But a right-wing partisan would not be motivated by a desire to split the right. Besides, the candidate on the top of the ticket matters much more than the one on the bottom of the ticket in terms of voters' preferences. I doubt that a majority of the people who will be voting in the upcoming election will even be aware of your plan to resign a few weeks after taking office.

Well, if I were attempting to split the right, why would I choose a left wing candidate, since I matter a lot more than Taoisigh (according to you).   

As to the majority not knowing, we're talking about "zombie voters," right?

[Associate Justice PiT]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

     But if you could not find a running mate to form a ticket, then you could not split the right-wing vote. Therefore, a left-wing partisan would have a vested interest in you being able to find a running mate.

Yet it would work better with a right wing partisan; I gave the right the same chance.  I really was not looking for a left/right running mate.  I was looking for someone who agreed with me on the issues.

     But a right-wing partisan would not be motivated by a desire to split the right. Besides, the candidate on the top of the ticket matters much more than the one on the bottom of the ticket in terms of voters' preferences. I doubt that a majority of the people who will be voting in the upcoming election will even be aware of your plan to resign a few weeks after taking office.

Well, if I were attempting to split the right, why would I choose a left wing candidate, since I matter a lot more than Taoisigh (according to you).   

As to the majority not knowing, we're talking about "zombie voters," right?

     I'm not saying that you intend to do so. I am talking about the motivations of the running mate, & pointing out that many left-wingers would like to see this ticket go far in hopes that it would help elect a left-wing President, along the lines of the 1912 Presidential election.

     Some people would define them as zombies, whereas others wouldn't. Generally, I mean those people who pay a limited amount of attention to Atlasia. Even those who pay a great deal of attention to Atlasia may not know, really. I didn't know what Oakvale's position on offsite recruiting was until I researched it after reading Taoisigh/belgiansocialist's original post in this topic.

[J. J.]

Getting a leftist as a VP is hardly going to appeal the right!

Tell that to your running mate.

Why?  You seem to assume Taoisigh has some strange type of power over the right wing.  I doubt it.

     But if you could not find a running mate to form a ticket, then you could not split the right-wing vote. Therefore, a left-wing partisan would have a vested interest in you being able to find a running mate.

Yet it would work better with a right wing partisan; I gave the right the same chance.  I really was not looking for a left/right running mate.  I was looking for someone who agreed with me on the issues.

     But a right-wing partisan would not be motivated by a desire to split the right. Besides, the candidate on the top of the ticket matters much more than the one on the bottom of the ticket in terms of voters' preferences. I doubt that a majority of the people who will be voting in the upcoming election will even be aware of your plan to resign a few weeks after taking office.

Well, if I were attempting to split the right, why would I choose a left wing candidate, since I matter a lot more than Taoisigh (according to you).   

As to the majority not knowing, we're talking about "zombie voters," right?

     I'm not saying that you intend to do so. I am talking about the motivations of the running mate, & pointing out that many left-wingers would like to see this ticket go far in hopes that it would help elect a left-wing President, along the lines of the 1912 Presidential election.

     Some people would define them as zombies, whereas others wouldn't. Generally, I mean those people who pay a limited amount of attention to Atlasia. Even those who pay a great deal of attention to Atlasia may not know, really. I didn't know what Oakvale's position on offsite recruiting was until I researched it after reading Taoisigh/belgiansocialist's original post in this topic.

Well, exactly how much is Taoisigh associated with the left and will all these voters suddenly be able to jump to that conclusion.