Am I alone in thinking...

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that Tmth's campaign is lacking in substance?

He's having a decent chance to be Atlasia's next President and yet 10 days before the election I don't know where he stands on, you know, the issues. I know he's trying to get elected on the 'nice and polite guy' platform, and that's fine by me. But shouldn't he at least try to take some positions on difficult issues that goes beyond a generic 'this is obviously an important issue' or some unexciting middle-of-the-road position taking. He seems to be afraid to not win an election everybody has been predicting he'd win for weeks if not months.

And frankly the few things he does take a position on seem misguided to me. His promise to veto
 a raise to the debt-ceiling or his vague promises of 'across the board cuts' are bad enough, but wouldn't actually affect the game itself. His position on the # of posts you need to get into the game would. Take this from a new member, if you have no interest in the Forum at large, you won't have any serious interest in earnestly engaging people in Atlasia. Getting off-site people in here (which is extremely likely to happen under a RPP administration) would get this game flooded either by Hamilton's, by Stormfronnt thugs or by everybody's worst nightmare 'voter zombies'.

I think that Tmth's panicky eagerness to go trough the motions and get elected on a generic platform shouldn't stop the rest of us from criticizing these positions. Even if we're unlikely to stop Atlasia from making a very bad decision, we'd at least have warned it.

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He has a campain thread if you want to ask direct questions.


 
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=130099.0

Couldn't find that thread, sorry.

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I can assure you that there aren't any "Stormfront thugs" among Tmth's off-Atlas friends.  If anything, you should be bracing yourself for a small trickle of generally-leftist voters under his administration.

I was talking off-site recruitment in general.

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The problem with Tmth's platform is that it mainly consists from generalities and things noone is goin to disagree with as well as a certain reluctance to really debate substance or to take a controversial position. Where is Tmth's misguided but passionate defense of not raising the debt ceiling when necessary? Where does he explain why he thinks off-site recruitment would be a good idea in a way that people could actually engage? Most of his campaign seems to be 'meh, people seem to like this idea, it probably is a good idea' or 'oh, you don't like that idea, oh well'.

Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

Is Tmth's presidency going to be a period of him being nice while vetoeing good legislation and him saying 'It's not me people' when his administration makes the real decisions?

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Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

I am sure that bgwah would love to know that he is a "tmth backer". That scene was hardly the work of one candidate or one party.

It was the work of Wormyguy, a Tmth supporter, and I haven't heard a condemnation coming from Tmth (or his minions for that matter).

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Another thing about Tmth I don't really like is his failure to do his dirty chores himself. Criticism is directed at him and it are his supporters who are the ones who defend him. His opponents are never directly attacked by Thmth but by the people behinf him. The awfull, disgusting way you tried to direct a tsunami of personal abuse at Marokai is the vilest, but not the only example of that. Why didn't Tmth condemn that awfull attack there and then, instead merely contenting himself to say 'It's not me'?

I am sure that bgwah would love to know that he is a "tmth backer". That scene was hardly the work of one candidate or one party.

It was the work of Wormyguy, a Tmth supporter, and I haven't heard a condemnation coming from Tmth (or his minions for that matter).

I thought you were talking about the whole confrontation not just the first part with Wormy.

I was talking about the really disgusting part.

The rest was just soap opera .

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Where is Tmth's misguided but passionate defense of not raising the debt ceiling when necessary?

Here.

That's Tmth saying 'The deficit is bad. We should not raise the debt ceiling.' not Tmth saying 'I know some of you don't like not raising the debt ceiling because some fear it'd throw the world economy into anarchy, but I support it because...' He just mentions it but doesn't defend it.

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First link doesn't mention off-site recruitment. Second one doesn't either. Both mention 'Welcome Commitees' which IMO is a pretty good idea, it also is a pretty generic idea.

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Good to see a solid Oakvale voter.

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You still don't see the problem with one of the most malignant posts I've ever seen on any board on this forum ever? You still don't see why that sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable? What I want to know is why Tmth appearantly did see the problem in private, as well as the backlash it could cause, but failed to comment on it publicly, even when someone as high-profile within one of the parties backing him as yourself was involved. If Obama would fail to condemn a Democratic Senator callin Palin a 'whore', you guys would lynch him, but in here it's no problem as long as Tmth doesn't go round insulting people himself?

Again, I have no problem with Tmth himself (he seems like a nice guy) but  have a problem with his campaigning style. He seems to lack the gusto for the sort of debate where people have different opinions and leaves too much of his actual campaigning to sidekicks like you (who not always share Tmth's niceness).

I'm waiting for an official condemnation by the Tmth campaign of your comments in that thread.

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I honestly hope 'Tmth's Stormfront Thugs' becomes a forum meme, if only because I never said anything of the sort. 

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I honestly hope 'Tmth's Stormfront Thugs' becomes a forum meme, if only because I never said anything of the sort. 

     No, but what you did say was almost as mystifying, insofar as it neglected that the latest rounds of offsite recruiting occurred because of the directives of a JCP president.

I'm not accusing the RPP of wanting to overflow the forum with some Stormfront thugs, but I'm generally opposed to the concept of off-site recruitment and long term policies to encourage it, no matter who proposes it.

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I'll try to defend myself: yes, part of why I run is because I think J.J. might hurt the right's chances to get elected, but it's not the main reason. I run for VP alongside J.J. because noone else would and because I think he should be able to run for President, even if his own party couldn't be bothered to even give him a chance at getting their nomination and just basically decided to give him the cold shoulder. And even more importantly I run for VP alongside J.J. because J.J. is talking sense here: we really need to make entry to this game easier for newcomers. Rather than recruiting people off-site, we should make sure that the people who are already here will feel an incentive and potential to enter the game and feel like they have something to contribute. That's why I am running with J.J. to be Vice President of Atlasia.

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Tmth, I'm sorry if you're upset with someone criticizing your campaign. Obviously this is something that's completely unacceptable in a real election,...

Actually, no, I won't go down that road and make this post bitter and harsh in tone. I frankly don't care whether you or the RPP choose to run an 'Enda Kenny campaign'. If you want to run an invisible campaign in order to afterwards eat the fruits of a divided left determined to implode. What I do not understand is the way you take any criticism of that campaign, reacting angry and not to the point. You point out a post where you say you won't make any personal attacks yourself and say that's a valid condemnation of what wormyguy said about Marokai. While I certainly appreciate that you seem to agree about the unacceptability of wormyguy's comments, your post actually isn't about these comments but about the bitter conflict the left was being divided by and about harsh words in general. But I won't keep dwelling on that sort of things, because I honestly don't want to make this into an all-out battle.

What I do find bizarre however Tmth is your remark in a PM to me, that you feel a lot of 'agression'  towards me. I'm sorry, but I don't understand. Why on earth would you feel agression towards me? What's my mortal sin, beyond having had the audacity to disagree with you on a few points? Why do you seem convinced that I'm upset with you, just because I voice my concern about some of the things I've read coming from your campaign? Like I said in my PM to you Tmth, this is an election, not a coronation. People are going to disagree about things, and that's not always personal. I still think you're a nice guy, honestly, and I think you're usually very polite.

So what am I supposed to do? Not say anything when I'm concerned about the way you're campaigning and the policies you're embracing? (Also, something about heath and a kitchen)