Dept. of Fed. Elections

[tmthforu94]

We should really have a DSoFE. Why have we not had one for nearly a year?

No one will apply for it.

Results will be certified later today.

[homelycooking]

We should really have a DSoFE. Why have we not had one for nearly a year?

No one will apply for it.

Results will be certified later today.

I would gladly apply for it if I didn't have to give up the seat I hold in the Northeast Assembly.

[Napoleon]

We should really have a DSoFE. Why have we not had one for nearly a year?

We have too many positions that serve no real purpose standing alone, which is one reason why I suggested consolidation. Or, no one will apply for it. It is basically the same thing.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

The SoFE/DSoFE thing was the only thing I managed to not botch so I might apply

[tmthforu94]

As a heads up, I'm using Homelycooking's tracker to do this.

Certification of Presidential Results:

Polnut and Bacon King: 59 (Hawkeye, Fuzzy, Ben, Marokai, polnut, Smash, Snowguy, Meeker, Hans, px75, Ebowed, Bacon King, Napoleon, Holmes, Kalwejt, Jas, Franzl, homely, Smid, Miles, Belgian Socialist, upcomingyouthvoter, Obamaisdabest, Barnes, MOPolitico, Badger, RodPresident, Grumps, GMantis, Yelnoc, Fritz, Frodo, Oakvale, A-Bob, Gustaf, TexasGurl, Winfield, BRTD, Julio, Antonio, opebo, Tender Branson, ilikeverin, nclib, Hashemite, Junkie, Lief, phk, Sbane, Alcon, Leftbehind, Jackson, DrScholl, HappyWarrior, cinyc, Boris, ArchZero, bgwah, Keystone Phil)
Teddy and Mechaman: 29 (wormyguy, PiT, Hatman, fab, Jbrase, officepark, redcommander, ZuWo, Thomas D, Mechaman, Elyski, Dallasfan, Ghost_white, FallenMorgan, Cathcon, Sam Spade, tmthforu94, MaxQue, Taft4Prez, dead0man, Giovanni, shua, Brandon H, NiK, NCYankee, ChairmanSanchez, tb75, JCL, Teddy)
Exhausted 6 (Lewis Trondheim, Cincinnatus, Rowan Brandon, Foucaulf, Xahar, Duke)

Invalid: 2 (Jake Matthews, Ben Kenobi)

I hereby certify that Polnut and Bacon King have been elected President and Vice President of Atlasia!

[tmthforu94]

Senate Races:

Northeast:

First Ballot

Napoleon 10 (Napoleon, redcommander, Holmes, upcomingyouthvoter, Oakvale, Winfield, Lief, Leftbehind, cinyc, Keystone Phil)
Marokai Blue 8 (Marokai, homely, Smash, Elyski, Smid, Cincinnatus, Rowan Brandon, NiK)
Wormyguy 5 (wormyguy, Dallasfan, Ghost_white, FallenMorgan, Giovanni)
Belgian Socialist 3 (Hatman, Obamaisdabest, sbane)
Invalid 1 (Jake Matthews)

Second Ballot
Belgian Socialist eliminated, votes of Hatman, Obamaisdabest and sbane redistributed

Napoleon 11 (Napoleon, redcommander, Holmes, upcomingyouthvoter, Oakvale, Winfield, Obamaisdabest, Lief, Leftbehind, cinyc, Keystone Phil)
Marokai Blue 9 (Marokai, homely, Smash, Elyski, Smid, Hatman, Cincinnatus, Rowan Brandon, NiK)
Wormyguy 5 (wormyguy, Dallasfan, Ghost_white, FallenMorgan, Giovanni)
Exhausted 1 (sbane)
Invalid 1 (Jake Matthews)

Third Ballot
wormyguy eliminated, votes of wormyguy, Dallasfan, Ghost_white, FallenMorgan and Giovanni redistributed)

Napoleon 13 (Napoleon, redcommander, Holmes, upcomingyouthvoter, Obamaisdabest, Dallasfan, FallenMorgan, Oakvale, Winfield, Lief, Leftbehind, cinyc, Keystone Phil)
Marokai Blue 12 (Marokai, homely, Smash, Elyski, Smid, Hatman, wormyguy, Ghost_white, Cincinnatus, Rowan Brandon, Giovanni, NiK)
Exhausted 1 (sbane)
Invalid 1 (Jake Matthews)

I hereby certify that Napoleon has won the Northeast Senate race!

IDS SENATE RACE

First Ballot

NCYankee 11 (Miles, Yelnoc, Jbrase, PiT, Sam Spade, Taft4Prez, Brandon H, NCYankee, ChairmanSanchez, tb75, Duke)
Belgian Socialist 1 (Bacon King)
Exhausted 1 (TexasGurl, who wrote only herself in)
Invalid 1 (Ben Kenobi)

I hereby certify that NC Yankee has won the IDS Senate Seat!

MIDEAST SENATE RACE

First Ballot

Tmthforu94 13 (Ben, fab, Officepark, ZuWo, Franzl, MOPolitico, Frodo, A-Bob, Cathcon, tmthforu94, shua, JCL, HappyWarrior)
Belgian Socialist 4 (Grumps, opebo, Hashemite, Boris)
Exhausted 2 (Badger and nclib, who wrote in only Badger)

I hereby certify that Tmthforu94 has won the Mideast Senate Race!

MIDWEST SENATE RACE

First Ballot

Fuzzybigfoot 10 (Fuzzy, Snowguy, Hans, px75, Kalwejt, GMantis, Barnes, Fritz, BRTD, Julio)
Belgian Socialist 6 (hawkeye, Thomas D, Jas, Lewis Trondheim, Belgian Socialist, ilikeverin)
Exhausted 3 (I can't decipher RodPresident's ballot, Gustaf and dead0man voted NOTA)

I hereby certify that Fuzzybigfoot has won the Midwest Senate Race!

PACIFIC SENATE RACE

First Ballot

Bgwah 10 (polnut, Meeker, Ebowed, Tender Branson, Alcon, phk, Jackson, DrScholl, ArchZero, bgwah)
Junkie 6 (Mechaman, MaxQue, Antonio V, Junkie, Foucaulf, Teddy)
Belgian Socialist 1 (Xahar)

I hereby certify that Bgwah has won the Pacific Senate Race!

[homelycooking]

I guess my count was pretty spot-on, eh?

[bgwah]

I would like to point out the following: NOTA votes do not exhaust, and should be counted as if it were a candidate. Furthermore, if a voter writes themselves in, that counts as accepting write-ins, making them a legitimate candidate (meaning Badger and Rowan/Duke should have been counted in the first and only rounds).

Doesn't change anything, I'm just kind of picky about this sort of thing.

[Napoleon]

I would like to point out the following: NOTA votes do not exhaust, and should be counted as if it were a candidate. Furthermore, if a voter writes themselves in, that counts as accepting write-ins, making them a legitimate candidate (meaning Badger and Rowan/Duke should have been counted in the first and only rounds).

Doesn't change anything, I'm just kind of picky about this sort of thing.

I'd also add that Rod President's vote first preferencing belgiansocialist should probably be counted, though it wont materially affect the results.

[Lincoln Republican]

While you did try to rig the election, the results are in and we all know who won so I don't see a point in not certifying them.

Asking people to change their votes within the 20 minutes is not rigging an election, but okay.

I do not know the law in Atlasia for asking people to change their votes within 20 minutes of them casting their vote, or if there is a law covering this, however, it is absolutely unethical,  is tampering with the election process, and should be against Atlasian law as far as I am concerned. 

Once an individual has cast their ballot, there should be no interference from anyone else in attempting to have them change their vote.  The individual casting their ballot knows for whom they want to vote, and it is not up to someone else to tell them or to ask them to change their vote.  This is tantamount to someone telling the voter that they made a mistake and they should correct it.

In real life, once a vote is cast, it is final.

I realize in Atlasia that the voter can change his vote within 20 minutes of casting their vote.  This, however, is the decision of the voter.  As far as I am concerned, it should be written into Atlasian law that it is an offence to try and persuade someone to change their vote once that vote has been cast, even it is within 20 minutes, and it should be an offence to try to have someone invalidate their vote after 20 minutes.

Just because Tmth attempted to have some voters change their vote or invalidate their vote within 20 minutes does not make this practice acceptable.  This behavior is to be condemned in the strongest possible terms as far as I am concerned, and if it was against Atlasian law, he should be prosecuted.  If it is not against Atlasian law, it should be.

[tmthforu94]

FTR, I'm not the only person who's urged people to change their votes within the 20 minutes - several people on both sides have a long history of doing so.

I agree with what you said. The problem though, is if someone messes up on their ballot, they wouldn't be able to fix it. Actually, you mentioning all of this game me a possible idea to help ease the problem - reducing the amount of time allowed to edit to 10, or even 5 minutes.

[Marokai Backbeat]

If asking someone if they would consider changing their vote within the legal editing period is going to be made illegal, the logical extension of that would just be to make campaigning for votes in any way whatsoever illegal as well. I really don't see anything wrong with trying to convince someone to switch their votes within that time limit, especially since there have been several cases where people have made errors on their ballot or screwed up a preference order in a plainly obvious way that you might want to mention to them. I guess I just really don't see the harm.

Although outlawing campaigning for votes in any way would kind of be fun to see. If only out of curiosity.

[Lincoln Republican]

Campaigning for votes is democracy and is desirable.

My main point is, however, once a vote is cast, it should not be intererferred with by someone else.  If the voter thinks he or she made a mistake, they have 20 minutes to change it.  If they opt not to change their vote on their own, then so be it.  The vote stands as cast by the voter, and the vote remains as is, with no outside interference.

Lobbying or contacting a voter after the voter has cast their ballot should be outlawed in Atlasia.

 

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's truly ridiculous. There's nothing wrong about asking someone to change his vote within 20 minutes, it's really the same as campaigning for votes themselves.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

If it was against Atlasian law, he should be prosecuted.  If it is not against Atlasian law, it should be.

I agree with that.

The fact, however, is that AFAIK, it is not against the law.

Frankly, 20 minutes is BS. Who only realizes their mistake after 20 minutes? Your ballot should be final, when cast, as cast, no edits. Use the preview function. IMO of course.

[Lincoln Republican]

I agree.  You get one vote and one vote only.

Whoever heard of changing your vote after having voted anyway?  That's ridiculous.

You vote, you vote, that's it. 

All campaigning comes before votes are cast.  None of this nonsense about trying to persuade someone to change their vote after they have voted, as Tmth has done.

 

[tmthforu94]

I agree.  You get one vote and one vote only.

Whoever heard of changing your vote after having voted anyway?  That's ridiculous.

You vote, you vote, that's it. 

All campaigning comes before votes are cast.  None of this nonsense about trying to persuade someone to change their vote after they have voted, as Tmth has done.

to be fair, this has long been common in Atlasia. I wasn't the first to ask people to change their votes within the 20 minutes.

[Lincoln Republican]

I agree.  You get one vote and one vote only.

Whoever heard of changing your vote after having voted anyway?  That's ridiculous.

You vote, you vote, that's it. 

All campaigning comes before votes are cast.  None of this nonsense about trying to persuade someone to change their vote after they have voted, as Tmth has done.

to be fair, this has long been common in Atlasia. I wasn't the first to ask people to change their votes within the 20 minutes.

Common in Atlasia perhaps, but that does not make it right.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

When is the special election to fill Oakvale's seat?

EDIT": okay, I see this is being discussed in the non-stickied thread. 

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

HEY
notice this post!

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=120461.0

This is the new thread for the DoFE.