The Wisconsin Cheese Showdown

[© tweed]

stop going to work

[cinyc]

No matter how this went, the result was going to be the same, Republicans have stepped in it in Wisconsin. Next election, they are going to have zero credibility for overreaching and swing voters aren't going to be perceptive to them. What reason would they have to be?

Because they acted like adults and fixed the state's fiscal mess without raising taxes?

The next scheduled state election is over a year and a half away.  That's an eternity in politics.  Things that are important today may be forgotten.  Or not.

Remember - recalls work both ways, too.

[Dgov]

Violence?

http://mobile.twitter.com/news3jessica#45596184525537280
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svsgvqyr0rQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Probably not against other people (though it does look like the protesters are getting closer to that), but vandalism?  Definitely.

[Shilly]

haha America is screwed.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

stop going to work

A general strike is a serious possibility at this point:"MikeElk: Wisc Firefighters Union President Joe Conway tells me there should be a general strike"

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No matter how this went, the result was going to be the same, Republicans have stepped in it in Wisconsin. Next election, they are going to have zero credibility for overreaching and swing voters aren't going to be perceptive to them. What reason would they have to be?

Because they acted like adults and fixed the state's fiscal mess without raising taxes?

The next scheduled state election is over a year and a half away.  That's an eternity in politics.  Things that are important today may be forgotten.  Or not.

Remember - recalls work both ways, too.

Oh yes because there are so many Senate Democrats in Wisconsin in such vulnerable seats.

Say goodbye to that piece of sh!t asshole representing La Crosse. I'd bet anything he is done.

[DrScholl]

Because they acted like adults and fixed the state's fiscal mess without raising taxes?

The next scheduled state election is over a year and a half away.  That's an eternity in politics.  Things that are important today may be forgotten.  Or not.

Remember - recalls work both ways, too.

Steaming pile of manure, the fiscal portions were removed, which is why this foolishness passed.

This is not something that will be forgotten, when a party overreaches, it has consequences.

The Democrats aren't the one who stepped in it, the Republicans are, it's not hard to see who is in the most trouble for a recall. But delude yourself if you like.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Isn't it possible that this is just a trick to get the Democrats to come back?  Otherwise, I do object to the fact that 24 hours notice wasn't given.

[cinyc]

Oh yes because there are so many Senate Democrats in Wisconsin in such vulnerable seats.

Say goodbye to that piece of sh!t asshole representing La Crosse. I'd bet anything he is done.

Democratic Senator Jim Holperin, Class of 2008, won with just 51% of the vote in one of the best cycles for Wisconsin Democrats in a long time.  And there are more vulnerable Wisconsin Senate Democrats in the Class of 2010 than Republicans.  But let's not let facts get in the way of the typical Democrats rule, Republicans drool analysis.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Oh yes I'm sure the total of two Democrats in the class of 2010 who represent Janesville and inner-city Milwaukee are soooooooooo vulnerable.

[Dgov]

Oh yes I'm sure the total of two Democrats in the class of 2010 who represent Janesville and inner-city Milwaukee are soooooooooo vulnerable.

I think he meant 2008 (which is relavent)

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

What a Pyrrhic victory, I see no way for Republicans in Wisconsin to rebound from this unless the protests get really, really, really violent tomorrow and there is more blowback from that. News coverage should be pretty universally negative on their legislative tactics and their rhetoric. Now that the debate is purely about collective bargaining rights vs. no collective bargaining rights and the Republicans can't hide behind the "OMFG budget crisis!!!" argument, they will lose even more popular support.

[Dgov]

What a Pyrrhic victory, I see no way for Republicans in Wisconsin to rebound from this unless the protests get really, really, really violent tomorrow and there is more blowback from that. News coverage should be pretty universally negative on their legislative tactics and their rhetoric. Now that the debate is purely about collective bargaining rights vs. no collective bargaining rights and the Republicans can't hide behind the "OMFG budget crisis!!!" argument, they will lose even more popular support.

"GOP uses controversial tactic to overcome controversial Democratic tactic" doesn't exactly strike me as a reputation buster.  I don't think anyone is going to see this as some truly unfair political move that doesn't already hate the GOP.

And speaking of that, Quorum busting is far, FAR less Democratic than legislative trickery is.  Remember that the only reason that we're in this situation is because the Democrats basically decided to take the state legislature hostage.  It seems extremely hypocritical to complain about the GOP muscling a bill through when the reason they had to is because the Democrats were busying hiding in Illinois.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The polls were already against the Republicans.

[cinyc]

The polls were already against the Republicans.

They were also already against the Democrats - an inconvenient fact missed by many partisans.

[Smash255]

What a Pyrrhic victory, I see no way for Republicans in Wisconsin to rebound from this unless the protests get really, really, really violent tomorrow and there is more blowback from that. News coverage should be pretty universally negative on their legislative tactics and their rhetoric. Now that the debate is purely about collective bargaining rights vs. no collective bargaining rights and the Republicans can't hide behind the "OMFG budget crisis!!!" argument, they will lose even more popular support.

"GOP uses controversial tactic to overcome controversial Democratic tactic" doesn't exactly strike me as a reputation buster.  I don't think anyone is going to see this as some truly unfair political move that doesn't already hate the GOP.

And speaking of that, Quorum busting is far, FAR less Democratic than legislative trickery is.  Remember that the only reason that we're in this situation is because the Democrats basically decided to take the state legislature hostage.  It seems extremely hypocritical to complain about the GOP muscling a bill through when the reason they had to is because the Democrats were busying hiding in Illinois.

The Dems bolted because Walker and the GOP refused to negotiate or busting unions.  The GOP claimed that this was about the budget, but this proves this was never about the budget or fiscal issues.  On top of that the way they passed it was absolutely nuts and was blatantly illegal.

This video is Absolutely Crazy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/41998976#41998976

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The polls were already against the Republicans.

They were also already against the Democrats - an inconvenient fact missed by many partisans.

With majority favorable opinion of teacher's unions and 57% disapproval for Walker?

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

2008 Democratic Senate seats with Kerry percentage:
Lena Taylor (4)- 80%
Spence Coggs (6)- 83%
Jim Holperin (12)- 46%
Mark Miller (16)- 58%
Robert Wirch (22)- 51%
Julie Lassa (24)- 51%
Fred Risser (26)- 75%
Dave Hansen (30)- 47%

I'd expect a big enthusiasm gap in favor of Democrats in these special elections.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

The polls were already against the Republicans.

They were also already against the Democrats - an inconvenient fact missed by many partisans.

With majority favorable opinion of teacher's unions and 57% disapproval for Walker?

With over 60% in favor of collective bargaining rights as well, which is now the only issue that will be debated upon.

[Marokai Backbeat]

This video is Absolutely Crazy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/41998976#41998976

Speechless.

[cinyc]

The polls were already against the Republicans.

They were also already against the Democrats - an inconvenient fact missed by many partisans.

With majority favorable opinion of teacher's unions and 57% disapproval for Walker?

No.  Please read what I said and stop confusing politicians for teachers.  A majority with a negative opinion of the Democrats who are currently hiding out in Illinois.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

51-47 is a lot less than Walker's disapproval.

[Smash255]

This video is Absolutely Crazy

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/41998976#41998976

Speechless.

Its absolutely nuts.  You have the Minority leader of the Assembly reading off the actual rules over the open meetings law, and then as he is speaking being cut off for the roll call vote in the Senate.  It is crazy.

[cinyc]

51-47 is a lot less than Walker's disapproval.

Because a 51% disapproval versus a 53% one is statistically significant in a poll with an MoE of +/-4, right?

The fact is Wisconsin voters are pretty much divided on the issue and question wording matters.  But the majority disapprove of political actors on both sides.  

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well I'd say at least that disgusting piece of sh!t "representing" La Crosse in an >60% Obama district isn't going to have a good time. And once recall petitions begin against that human trash I will probably go to La Crosse to help circulate it.