Most German scandal ever

[Iannis]

And do you call this bullsh**t "a scandal"?

If academic plagiarism isn't a scandal, what is?

It's something almost all student did, especially in internet age, I think that he should apologize but, given that it happen before he became minister and it's not involved with his action as defence minister, this can't destroy his career.

[freek]

but, given that it happen before he became minister

He already was an MP at the time though.

[freek]

I checked the Guttenplag-wiki, and it isn't just 1 page that was possibly plagiarized. Over 60% of the pages contains possibly plagiarized content.

[minionofmidas]

Guttenberg has just done what he would have done three days ago if he'd had any sense.
Admitted shameless plagiarizing, shown just a wee bit of humility, refused to see a resigning matter. This probably ends things. It would certainly have ended things three days ago.

[Platypus]

And do you call this bullsh**t "a scandal"?

If academic plagiarism isn't a scandal, what is?

It's something almost all student did, especially in internet age

Speak for yourself.

Academic plagiarism is just about the worst thing you can do at uni. We allowed far-right political marches; near-nude mud wrestling, and even beer bongs - only plagiarism would get you kicked out.

[Iannis]

And do you call this bullsh**t "a scandal"?

If academic plagiarism isn't a scandal, what is?

It's something almost all student did, especially in internet age

Speak for yourself.

Academic plagiarism is just about the worst thing you can do at uni. We allowed far-right political marches; near-nude mud wrestling, and even beer bongs - only plagiarism would get you kicked out.

I'm not talking about what is allowed, but about what is actually often done. I'm sure also in Australia.

[Franzl]

Guttenberg has just done what he would have done three days ago if he'd had any sense.
Admitted shameless plagiarizing, shown just a wee bit of humility, refused to see a resigning matter. This probably ends things. It would certainly have ended things three days ago.

I wonder if it really is over.

[ag]

And do you call this bullsh**t "a scandal"?

If academic plagiarism isn't a scandal, what is?

It's something almost all student did, especially in internet age

Speak for yourself.

Academic plagiarism is just about the worst thing you can do at uni. We allowed far-right political marches; near-nude mud wrestling, and even beer bongs - only plagiarism would get you kicked out.

I'm not talking about what is allowed, but about what is actually often done. I'm sure also in Australia.

 It might be often done, but it is severely punished whe a culprit is caught. I am talking as a prof: I've caught enough of your kind.

[Verily]

And do you call this bullsh**t "a scandal"?

If academic plagiarism isn't a scandal, what is?

It's something almost all student did, especially in internet age

Speak for yourself.

Academic plagiarism is just about the worst thing you can do at uni. We allowed far-right political marches; near-nude mud wrestling, and even beer bongs - only plagiarism would get you kicked out.

I'm not talking about what is allowed, but about what is actually often done. I'm sure also in Australia.

Yes, but anyone caught doing it is kicked out. And, at least in my experience in American universities, it's really not common beyond the occasional slight plagiarism (which this was a lot worse than).

You are upholding some Italian stereotypes here, though...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I do actually support bringing back the pillory for plagiarisers.

[ag]

Since his job is non-academic, it is up to his bosses to decide what's to be done. In academica he'd be out very fast (by the slow-moving academic standards, of course).

[Franzl]

Since his job is non-academic, it is up to his bosses to decide what's to be done. In academica he'd be out very fast (by the slow-moving academic standards, of course).

The government is saying it has no effect on his work as Defense Minister.

[Hash]

... so, how does this affect Guttenberg's future political ambitions?

[minionofmidas]

It doesn't affect his popularity with the hardcore partisan CDU / antisocialist crowd and with the brainless / Springer dependent crowd (some overlap here), where he's still divine and untouchable, nor with the hardcore partisan leftwing crowd because there's only so far below minus 100% that you can go. So I'd say not at all (unless, say, an unexpected vacancy in the chancellorship occurs very soon or whatever).

[Tender Branson]

... so, how does this affect Guttenberg's future political ambitions?

Not at all.

There's a new poll out today and Guttenberg is even more popular than before the scandal:

Infratest dimap gives Guttenberg a 73% job approval rating, vs. 68% at the start of February.

72% also say that he should remain Defense Minister, just 24% say he should step down.

http://www.zeit.de/news-022011/23/asdf28895896xml

[Franzl]

I don't think Guttenberg should resign, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't affect my opinion of him.

[minionofmidas]

Yah, there's another poll that gives roughly the same positive/negative breakdown as ever, but asked a separate question whether your opinion of him had gotten worse or stayed the same (I think they included an improved option, not that anyone said that), and, well. Lots of "worse but still good" (as well as "even worse than before") people around.

[minionofmidas]

Breaking.

He's resigned.

[Franzl]

Breaking.

He's resigned.

Now that the media has run their usual circus and forced him out....can we please stop hearing about this in every news program?

[Middle-aged Europe]

Breaking.

He's resigned.

Now that the media has run their usual circus and forced him out....can we please stop hearing about this in every news program?

Mostly, he forced himself out.

As far as the media is concerned, it's good to know that SPIEGEL is still more powerful than BILD.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

My initial assessment of the scandal (see thread title) was correct then

[Franzl]

Breaking.

He's resigned.

Now that the media has run their usual circus and forced him out....can we please stop hearing about this in every news program?

Mostly, he forced himself out.

As far as the media is concerned, it's good to know that SPIEGEL is still more powerful than BILD.

I wonder if this would have turned out any differently if Guttenberg hadn't blatantly lied about his guilt when the scandal first came out.

I'd think so....but the media hasn't really been concerned with that, or at least it seems that way.

[Middle-aged Europe]

I wonder if this would have turned out any differently if Guttenberg hadn't blatantly lied about his guilt when the scandal first came out.

Perhaps. He didn't really handle the whole scandal very well. As always, the denial comes before the resignation.

[Antonio the Sixth]

At least in Germany ministers are intelligent enough to resign themselves instead of staying for some weeks and then getting kicked out.

[Hans-im-Glück]

And they say there is no good news. Baron Münchhausen is gone.

I've known him a long time because I am also from Upper Franconia. Even with his resignation he was a vain self-promoter.

For all who think we Germans overreact. No one, not even his fans, want that we get in Germany relations like Italy.