Irish Election Results Thread

[Хahar 🤔]

What's the matter with Kerry N-W Limerick? It doesn't seem like the sort of place to elect 1 Lab and 1 SF out of three seats.

Large leftish vote in Tralee, which is a sizeable town by Irish standards, combined with a large republican vote in Kerry generally.

What's the cause of the republican vote in Kerry?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I know that Séamus Kirk, the Ceann Comhairle, was automatically returned to the 31st Dáil without having to face the voters, but will tradition have him retain the post or is he likely to be replaced by someone else as the Speaker?

[minionofmidas]

So I misremembered on Wallace.

The Workers Party is... to SF as Trots are to Labour? Is that an apt analogy?

[Хahar 🤔]

Have any recounts changed results so far?  Even the order of eliminations, declared elections and surpluss transfers?

There's a rumour that the all day Galway East recount will result in McHugh pipping Broderick after all.

That is indeed what has happened. McHugh at 8,371, Broderick at 8,365.

I know that Séamus Kirk, the Ceann Comhairle, was automatically returned to the 31st Dáil without having to face the voters, but will tradition have him retain the post or is he likely to be replaced by someone else as the Speaker?

Since 1997 the Ceann Comhairle has been replaced at each new Dáil.

[patrick1]

What's the matter with Kerry N-W Limerick? It doesn't seem like the sort of place to elect 1 Lab and 1 SF out of three seats.

Large leftish vote in Tralee, which is a sizeable town by Irish standards, combined with a large republican vote in Kerry generally.

What's the cause of the republican vote in Kerry?

The legacy of Ballyseedy lingers. Kerry was a stronghold of anti treaty forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executions_during_the_Irish_Civil_War#Unofficial_killings

[ObserverIE]

So I misremembered on Wallace.

The Workers Party is... to SF as Trots are to Labour? Is that an apt analogy?

The Workers' Party are Tankies.

[minionofmidas]

The Workers' Party are Tankies.

Meh, same thing. To other Trots as other Trots are to Labour. Except that Halligan has left because he wasn't tankie enough for the party anymore, so...

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I notice that Enda Kenny is also Father of the Dáil as well as presumptively the next Taoiseach.  Who else in various Parliaments has held the dual title of Father and PM (however so called).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Callaghan became Father of the House just four years after ceasing to be PM, and the same is true of Churchill the second time round.

[Хahar 🤔]

[minionofmidas]

Broderick's vote went mostly to Kitt, Connaughton and Cannon, all of which are now elected. Keaveney is ahead of McHugh by about 1200 votes, and there's about 1000 votes of FF surplus and 800 votes of FG surplus. I suppose they'll try to wrap that up tonight while the other counts all continue tomorrow.

I suppose counts today - and especially from tomorrow on - function on less personnel than yesterday night? Which would also explain the tales of legendary counts going on for up to ten days?

[patrick1]

I notice that Enda Kenny is also Father of the Dáil as well as presumptively the next Taoiseach.  Who else in various Parliaments has held the dual title of Father and PM (however so called).

It happened a few times in Northern Ireland with O'Neill and Faulkner. I am unaware of such a title in the present NI Assembly, but pretty confident Big Ian was oldest member and First minister.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I notice that Enda Kenny is also Father of the Dáil as well as presumptively the next Taoiseach.  Who else in various Parliaments has held the dual title of Father and PM (however so called).

It happened a few times in Northern Ireland with O'Neill and Faulkner. I am unaware of such a title in the present NI Assembly, but pretty confident Big Ian was oldest member and First minister.

Well it's rarely a formal title. But he'd have had it even then as a former member of the Stormont Parliament and of all subsequent devolved institutions in Northern Ireland.

[Хahar 🤔]

I notice that Enda Kenny is also Father of the Dáil as well as presumptively the next Taoiseach.  Who else in various Parliaments has held the dual title of Father and PM (however so called).

Éamon de Valera was Father of the Dáil and Taoiseach from 1953 to 1959.

[Kevinstat]

It looks like Fidelma Healy Eames (FG-Galway West) requested a fell recount before she (must be a she) was eliminated, as the Labour surplus could technically have put her ahead of running-mate Seán Kyne).  It's technically possible that she could lose more votes in this recount than she would end up losing by after the 11th count, although realistically she wouldn't gain 56 votes on Kyne (to tie him if the current 10th count results stood) or 57 votes on him (to beat him) from a 129-vote Labour surplus, so having a full recount now means that any recount tomorrow (it looks like the count will adjorn for the day after this recount) likely won't have to be as extensive.

[Kevinstat]

Broderick's vote went mostly to Kitt, Connaughton and Cannon, all of which are now elected. Keaveney is ahead of McHugh by about 1200 votes, and there's about 1000 votes of FF surplus and 800 votes of FG surplus. I suppose they'll try to wrap that up tonight while the other counts all continue tomorrow.

Will the surpluses of the three elected candidates be done in separate counts (in descending order of the candidate's surplus)?  Kitt's surplus will probably clinch it for Keaveney.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Based on the situation in the 7 remaining constituencies, here is an estimate of realistic best and worst case scenarios for each party :

FG : 75 to 79
Lab : 35 to 38
FF : 19 to 22
SF : 13 to 15
Oth : 16 to 21

Updated :

FG : 74 to 79
Lab : 36 to 38
FF : 19 to 21
SF : 13 to 15
Oth : 17 to 21

Ok, last update for today, with the 12 remaining seats.

FG : 74 to 76
Lab : 36 to 38
FF : 19 to 21
SF : 13 to 15
Oth : 18 to 20

[Kevinstat]

Broderick's vote went mostly to Kitt, Connaughton and Cannon, all of which are now elected. Keaveney is ahead of McHugh by about 1200 votes, and there's about 1000 votes of FF surplus and 800 votes of FG surplus. I suppose they'll try to wrap that up tonight while the other counts all continue tomorrow.

Will the surpluses of the three elected candidates be done in separate counts (in descending order of the candidate's surplus)?  Kitt's surplus will probably clinch it for Keaveney.

Galway West count now complete with Keaveney (Labour) being elected.  From the changes in the tallies it looks like only Kitt (FF)'s surplus votes was transferred, and Keaveney did grow his lead (not that he needed to as the FG surplus wouldn't have been enough for McHugh to catch up I don't think).

[minionofmidas]

Yes, that is the way it's done.

[patrick1]

Two questions,

Will there be a by election in Dublin for European Parliament

No, they are allowed to name a replacement.

[Јas]

I suppose counts today - and especially from tomorrow on - function on less personnel than yesterday night? Which would also explain the tales of legendary counts going on for up to ten days?

Indeed so.

[Lief 🗽]

I must say, Ireland has probably my favorite voting system of any democratic country. You guys even keep the number of representatives per constituency low to reduce proportionality and manufacture majorities! If only your party system made sense, it'd be perfect.

[Јas]

Not a good election for Members of the Government…

Brian Cowen, Taoiseach
Mary Coughlan, Tánaiste & Minister for Education
Brian Lenihan, Minister for Finance
Éamon Ó Cuív, Minister for Social Protection
Mary Hanafin, Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport
Brendan Smith, Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
Pat Carey, Minister for Community, Equality and Gaeltacht Affairs


Nor for the Junior Ministers...

John Curran, Chief Whip
Barry Andrews, MoS for Children
Dick Roche, MoS for European Affairs
Peter Power, MoS for Overseas Development
Martin Mansergh, MoS for Office of Public Works and the Arts
Billy Kelleher, MoS for Trade and Commerce
Dara Calleary, MoS for Public Service and Labour Affairs
John Malony, MoS for Disability and Mental Health issues
Seán Connick, MoS for Fisheries and Forestry
Conor Lenihan, MoS for Science and Natural Resources
Michael Finneran, MoS for Housing and Local Services
Áine Brady, MoS for Older People and Social Services
Seán Haughey, MoS for Lifelong Learning


Elected
Not Elected
Didn't Run

[Antonio the Sixth]

Interestingly, it looks like the only ministers who survived are those whose job is related to economy. Funny considering economy is the reason why FF is so hated.

[Јas]

From having a seat in every constituency in every election since 1932, FF today find themselves without Dáil seats in 25 constituencies.