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« on: November 28, 2004, 03:14:49 am »

Who's the most underrated president?
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2004, 03:51:07 am »

In recent history...George H.W. Bush.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 04:19:31 am »

Calvin Coolidge.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2004, 04:46:05 am »

Jimmy Carter.

1. Provided incentives for Camp David accords, ending Arab-Israeli wars.

2. Ended wage and price controls.

3. Appointed Volcker as Fed chairman.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 07:23:22 am »
« Edited: November 28, 2004, 07:30:26 am by dazzleman »

Jimmy Carter.

1. Provided incentives for Camp David accords, ending Arab-Israeli wars.

2. Ended wage and price controls.

3. Appointed Volcker as Fed chairman.

Carter didn't end wage and price controls.  The last wage and price controls were lifted by President Nixon in 1974.  Carter did resist calls from some liberals like Ted Kennedy to reimpose them, but even during the very high inflation of the late 1970s, there was little sentiment in favor of them given their miserable failure earlier in the decade.

The Camp David accords were a major accomplishment for Carter, but they didn't end Arab-Israeli wars.

Looking at the whole record, I think Carter is eminently deserving of his low ranking among presidents.

I think the most underrated president in recent history is Gerald Ford.  One thing many people don't realize is that the Helsinki Accords on European Security, for which Ford was severely criticized by conservatives, turned out to be the seed that contained the destruction of the Soviet empire in Europe.

Ford was only president for 2-1/2 years, but he made long strides toward normalizing conditions in a badly shaken country, moves which paid large dividends later.
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 11:28:37 am »

James Buchanan.
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004, 12:32:55 pm »

George W. Bush
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 01:59:11 pm »

Grover Cleveland.
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2004, 02:19:49 pm »

Herbert Hoover (who knew I would say that?)
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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2004, 02:30:51 pm »

Gerald Ford
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2004, 02:31:28 pm »


Of couse you NewFederalist, you get a kick out of my fondness for the Presidency of Herbert Hoover.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2004, 02:41:28 pm »

In recent history...George H.W. Bush.

Did he have any accomplishments?
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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2004, 09:43:42 pm »

John Adams
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2004, 10:38:49 pm »

Reps:  Calvin Coolidge
Dems:  Grover Cleveland
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2004, 03:33:06 pm »

First about Carter.  The middle-east accords were indeed an accomplishment, but they came about because Sadat was ready.  Ford, Nixon, Reagan, or even Mondale could have pulled it off.

I agree with Adams, but here I would choose Chester Arthur.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2004, 04:01:34 pm »

William McKinley (thanks for making us an industrial superpower and making the U.S. a world power.)
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2004, 08:50:22 pm »


I can't tell if you're ignorant or being sarcastic...
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2004, 09:23:32 pm »

I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2004, 09:28:27 pm »

I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.

Right off the top of my head, I think Bush, Sr.'s foreign policy and relations with foreign governments was immensely successful.  He probably could have gone further in Iraq, but would have faced the same problems that we are seeing now.  He was very well-respected among world leaders.  I credit him with the success of NAFTA, though Clinton was in office when it was signed.  He also presided over what could have been a very rocky time in international relations with the fall of the USSR and transitions of eastern European governments.  I think Bush Sr. was a fairly good president, but he did have a hard time connecting with people.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2004, 09:30:04 pm »


I fully agree.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2004, 10:52:32 pm »

James K. Polk
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2004, 12:09:11 am »

Lyndon Johnson.

Flame away. :-)
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2004, 02:55:13 am »

I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.

Right off the top of my head, I think Bush, Sr.'s foreign policy and relations with foreign governments was immensely successful.  He probably could have gone further in Iraq, but would have faced the same problems that we are seeing now.  He was very well-respected among world leaders.  I credit him with the success of NAFTA, though Clinton was in office when it was signed.  He also presided over what could have been a very rocky time in international relations with the fall of the USSR and transitions of eastern European governments.  I think Bush Sr. was a fairly good president, but he did have a hard time connecting with people.

Since when is NAFTA something anyone should be proud of?
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2004, 04:03:24 am »

I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.

Right off the top of my head, I think Bush, Sr.'s foreign policy and relations with foreign governments was immensely successful.  He probably could have gone further in Iraq, but would have faced the same problems that we are seeing now.  He was very well-respected among world leaders.  I credit him with the success of NAFTA, though Clinton was in office when it was signed.  He also presided over what could have been a very rocky time in international relations with the fall of the USSR and transitions of eastern European governments.  I think Bush Sr. was a fairly good president, but he did have a hard time connecting with people.

Since when is NAFTA something anyone should be proud of?

I happen to like NAFTA...(GASP!) Someone thinks differently than you!!!
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2004, 01:03:31 pm »

Polk, Coolidge, Truman, Nixon, GWB
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