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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: March 24, 2011, 02:30:44 AM »
Great, just what the Portuguese needed...
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2011, 07:16:42 AM »
BTW, it's hilarious to see a mainstream european right-wing party calling itself "social-democratic".
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 03:33:43 AM »
Quote from: RodPresident on March 24, 2011, 10:20:07 PM
In Brazil, our main right-wing party is Social Democratic, but it began as left of center party.

Well, Brazilian politics are particularly weird. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 05:21:55 AM »
Quote from: Emperor PiT on March 25, 2011, 05:11:44 AM
     So it looks like the Social Democrats will see their best performance since 1991, but will still fall far short of 1991. Why exactly did the Socialists fall flat like this?

Austerity isn't exactly the most popular policy ever.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 04:07:14 PM »
Looks surprisingly well for the PS... After PASOK's win in Greek local election, I'm starting to wonder if voters might not be as stupid as I thought after all.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 04:15:28 AM »
Quote from: TheNewTeddy on April 23, 2011, 06:10:53 PM
They should trade one of their two supposedly Socialist parties for one of Ireland's two supposedly Conservative parties.

Except that FF and FG are both actually conservative.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 05:22:05 PM »
Quote from: RG Hans-im-Glück on May 15, 2011, 03:23:05 PM
New Polls for Portugal

INTERCAMPUS (12 May 2011)

PS - 36.8%
PSD - 33.9%
CDS-PP - 13.4%
CDU - 7.4%
BE - 6.0%

Marktest (10 May 2011)

PS - 33.4% 
PSD - 39.7%
CDS-PP - 9.0% 
CDU - 6.5%
BE - 4.8%


Normally INTERCAMPUS is the better institute for Polls. It will be a close result and nobody can say who wins. 13,4 % for the CDS-PP seems a little bit to much. In the last years the CDS-PP was underpolled, maybe this time overpolled Wink

I can't understand how two polls conducted almost at the same time can diverge so much. Either one of them is crap, or both are, or portuguese politics are especially random.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 11:52:42 AM »
Well, the Portuguese at least would be supposed to care. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 04:27:29 AM »
Quote from: mileslunn on May 24, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
What are the chances of the PSD + CDS-PP getting a majority.  Wouldn't that be the best coalition to make the necessary spending cuts to get the deficit under control.

As if the PS wouldn't make the same cuts anyways... Roll Eyes
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 03:52:46 AM »
Quote from: mileslunn on May 26, 2011, 08:44:04 PM
Quote from: Leftbehind on May 26, 2011, 08:13:43 PM
Let's hope it continues; I find it utterly perverse that the Right should benefit from this.
  Why would that be perverse.  The right generally favours less government, which means smaller deficits.  If anything Greece, Portugal, and Ireland could benefit from a right wing government and I see this as someone who is close to the centre in my home country, Canada.  In the early 90s, the Liberals had enough sense to make big spending cuts despite not being a right wing party, but it seems in Europe, electing a right wing party is the only way to get the necessary spending cuts.  I doubt Labour Party in Britain would have made them.

You really know nothing about European politics, do you ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2011, 02:36:26 PM »
The left makes the necessary cuts when they are necessary for a country's survival. The neoliberal right makes cuts just for the sake of making cuts, in spite of common sense, because they are a bunch of stupid hacks blinded by their silly ideology. That is the difference, Miles.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2011, 02:53:06 AM »
So, what exactly makes the right more competent than the left to solve deficits ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2011, 02:22:40 PM »
What is exactly the Portuguese electoral system, BTW ? Simple PR by constituency like in Spain ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 04:14:46 AM »
At which hour exactly will we have the first results ?
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 09:22:34 AM »

Ok, thank you. That means 21h there.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 02:53:53 PM »
Ouch.... That's that bad ? Sad
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 03:18:53 PM »
Quote from: Refudiate on June 05, 2011, 03:01:02 PM
Quote from: big bad fab on June 05, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Quote from: Refudiate on June 05, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
Another center-left government falls...

Don't worry, France will again shift contrary to European trend in 2012 Tongue (Sad)

It's the PS, nothing's for certain. Tongue

Indeed, let's be cautious there.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2011, 01:14:47 AM »
« Edited: June 06, 2011, 01:16:21 AM by Napoli e Milano libere ! »
The elections website says 38.63% for the PSD and 105 seats. So, it looks they don't have an absolute majority ?

And why did BE collapse that much ? It has only half of its 2009 seats.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2011, 05:16:39 AM »
Quote from: big bad fab on June 06, 2011, 01:52:24 AM
When you have small results in constituencies with few seats, comes a time when you have zero seat and waste all your votes.
I believe it's the case for BE: it has probably made its absolute decline even worse in terms of seats.

Yeah, especially with the D'Hondt method... Meh.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Posts: 58,169
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2011, 12:15:50 PM »
Yeah, as I thought. D'Hondt is basically fake proportional.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Posts: 58,169
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2011, 01:16:12 AM »
Hans, you are in this constituency right ? Smiley
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