Spanish General Election 2011

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Mariano Rajoy isn´t fit to run an egg and spoon race... Though this clearly has never stopped people before, least of all in Spain.

I prefer him rather than Esperanza Aguirre.

So why not accept mediocrity?

Anyway, the PP is too a "Spanish" party in many ways to be comparable to any of the other western European conservative parties (this is to say nothing of its origins). It is actually comparable to the Republicans in that sense.

[Iannis]

There are lots of Republicans here... I am a republican, too. My father is, my mother, my teachers, my neighbors... I supoose about 60% of the people here are republican... what's the problem??

The left (republicans) love the King. I like Juan Carlos, too. we think he's a leftie guy, and a republican, too. we have a republican King, imagine!!! The right used to like him, but now they hate him, I see it when I talk to conservative people, and when I watch conservative channels xD


So, I think we will ask for Republic when the King dies. Communists and "Indignados" are already fighting for the Republic, but Socialists like me prefer to let the King die after a good life.
If Spain had to vote in "King elections" Juan Carlos would win in a landslide... so, what's the problem with him?? He's not expensive like the Queen of England, he doesn't like big Castles and Palaces.

I don't think that Felipe is so disliked, no? He could be a decent king in the future

[Niemeyerite]

There are lots of Republicans here... I am a republican, too. My father is, my mother, my teachers, my neighbors... I supoose about 60% of the people here are republican... what's the problem??

The left (republicans) love the King. I like Juan Carlos, too. we think he's a leftie guy, and a republican, too. we have a republican King, imagine!!! The right used to like him, but now they hate him, I see it when I talk to conservative people, and when I watch conservative channels xD


So, I think we will ask for Republic when the King dies. Communists and "Indignados" are already fighting for the Republic, but Socialists like me prefer to let the King die after a good life.
If Spain had to vote in "King elections" Juan Carlos would win in a landslide... so, what's the problem with him?? He's not expensive like the Queen of England, he doesn't like big Castles and Palaces.

I don't think that Felipe is so disliked, no? He could be a decent king in the future

I like Felipe, there are a lot of people who like him, too. but we don't want him to be the King, I think. let him be happy and rich, but in the Republic of Spain.

I don't think Gallardon would be a democrat. he's a moderate when he talks, but when he acts he's only a bit less conservative than Aguirre

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't think Gallardon would be a democrat. he's a moderate when he talks, but when he acts he's only a bit less conservative than Aguirre

We could say the same of a lot of democrats.

[Niemeyerite]

I don't think Gallardon would be a democrat. he's a moderate when he talks, but when he acts he's only a bit less conservative than Aguirre

We could say the same of a lot of democrats.

That's true.. Manchin, Zell Miller, Bayh, etc. But they should be GOPers, too

[Tender Branson]

3 polls out today. With 6 weeks to go, the PSOE is still stuck in deep sh*t:

El Mundo/Sigma Dos:

47.8% PP (193 seats)
31.6% PSOE (122 seats)

La Razón/NC Report:

46.1% PP (183 seats)
30.6% PSOE (118 seats)

The PP is also expected to win 15 of the 17 regions.

La Vanguardia/Noxa Consulting:

46% PP (186-192 seats)
33% PSOE (115-122 seats)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't like this election much.

[Niemeyerite]

I don't trust ELMUNDO and LARAZON. don't know about La Vanguardia... they are pro-CiU and those numbers don't make much sense... upyd and iu at 4 congressperson is unlikely. Let's watch next CIS, ELPAIS and Antena3 polls of the next weekend.
Rubalcaba is doing all he can to make the election closer... and he will manage to narrow it a bit, but those numbers make me sick, he isn't improving.

The other day Aristegui (PP) said "PSOE will likely win the campaign, but we'll surely win the election". It is sad, but it is probably true.

[Хahar 🤔]

Mariano Rajoy isn´t fit to run an egg and spoon race... Though this clearly has never stopped people before, least of all in Spain.

I prefer him rather than Esperanza Aguirre.

So why not accept mediocrity?

Anyway, the PP is too a "Spanish" party in many ways to be comparable to any of the other western European conservative parties (this is to say nothing of its origins). It is actually comparable to the Republicans in that sense.

Of course the Republican Party isn't founded on fascism.

[Iannis]

Mariano Rajoy isn´t fit to run an egg and spoon race... Though this clearly has never stopped people before, least of all in Spain.

I prefer him rather than Esperanza Aguirre.

So why not accept mediocrity?

Anyway, the PP is too a "Spanish" party in many ways to be comparable to any of the other western European conservative parties (this is to say nothing of its origins). It is actually comparable to the Republicans in that sense.

Of course the Republican Party isn't founded on fascism.

Well, but in short time to say that PP "was founded on fascism" will be like saying that US democratic party was founded on slavery and segregationism.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Mariano Rajoy isn´t fit to run an egg and spoon race... Though this clearly has never stopped people before, least of all in Spain.

I prefer him rather than Esperanza Aguirre.

So why not accept mediocrity?

Anyway, the PP is too a "Spanish" party in many ways to be comparable to any of the other western European conservative parties (this is to say nothing of its origins). It is actually comparable to the Republicans in that sense.

Of course the Republican Party isn't founded on fascism.

Well, but in short time to say that PP "was founded on fascism" will be like saying that US democratic party was founded on slavery and segregationism.

30 years after its foundation, the democrats were still segregationist.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And, anyway, it isn't as though the Democratic Party actually exists as a national organisation - or ever has.

[big bad fab]

And, anyway, it isn't as though the Democratic Party actually exists as a national organisation - or ever has.

^^^^

Old, but always accurate

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Mariano Rajoy isn´t fit to run an egg and spoon race... Though this clearly has never stopped people before, least of all in Spain.

I prefer him rather than Esperanza Aguirre.

So why not accept mediocrity?

Anyway, the PP is too a "Spanish" party in many ways to be comparable to any of the other western European conservative parties (this is to say nothing of its origins). It is actually comparable to the Republicans in that sense.

Of course the Republican Party isn't founded on fascism.

That´s why I said "this is to say nothing of its origins".

[Tender Branson]

Now it's really time to say GAME OVER to the Spanish Socialists even for the few members here who thought the PSOE could narrow the margin:

El Pais poll out today:

45.5% PP
29.7% PSOE

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2011/10/16/actualidad/1318723042_948659.html

El Mundo poll out today:

48.0% PP
30.8% PSOE

http://elmundo.orbyt.es/2011/10/16/elmundo_en_orbyt/1318731297.html

[minionofmidas]

What this election needed - it is too late now - is a new left alternative to the PSOE. Along the lines of the Democracia Ya protests, for instance.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Down by eighteen? Urgh. Shades of Dalton's famous diary entry from '31, even if it's nowhere near that bad.

[Niemeyerite]

Yeah, Rubalcaba will loose, but I still think he will loose by 5-7%, and not by 15-17%. PP cuts in education is going to hurt Rajoy.

[Harry Hayfield]

General Election Result 2008
PSOE (Socialist Party of Spain) 44% winning 169 seats
PP (Popular Party) 40% winning 154 seats
United Left 4% winning 2 seats
CiU (Convergence and Union) 3% winning 10 seats
Basque Nationalists 1% wining 6 seats
UPyD (Union, Progress and Democracy) 1% winning 1 seat
PSOE lead of 4% but short of an overall majority by 7

[Harry Hayfield]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_general_election,_2011 shows the polls as carried out by CIS since April 2008 which in the most recent one for July 2011 shows PP with a 7% lead over PSOE

[Tender Branson]

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[Tender Branson]

With 1 week to go, there is a new COPE poll out:

45.4% PP (188-192 seats)
31.8% PSOE (115-118 seats)
  5.6% IU (8 seats)
  3.4% UPYD (3 seats)
  3.3% CIU (13 seats)
  1.4% AMAIUR (4-5 seats)
  1.3% PNV (5-6 seats)
  7.8% Others

http://www.cope.es/file_upload/pdf/13210151551072155440.pdf

[SPQR]

Bloodbath.
Anyway,maybe it's the fact that I am in Catalunya and not "proper" Spain  (doing the Erasmus in Barcelona),but there is not much campaigning,just a few billboards.

[Niemeyerite]

Bloodbath.
Anyway,maybe it's the fact that I am in Catalunya and not "proper" Spain  (doing the Erasmus in Barcelona),but there is not much campaigning,just a few billboards.

In Catalunya, PSC will win, and probably in Euskadi, Jaen and Huelva we win, too... nowhere else =/

[Tender Branson]

New poll by the University of Murcia:

47.7% PP
28.7% PSOE
  7.6% IU
  4.2% UPyD
  3.4% CIU

http://www.um.es/cpaum/pdf/Preelectoral_11112011.pdf