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afleitch
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« on: April 14, 2011, 06:19:34 PM »

Can you justify why the state should recognise churche's as charities?
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 06:24:06 AM »

I think it's pretty simple. If  a churches do charity work they're a charity, if they don't do charity work they're not a charity.

I see no reason why a church that puts up soup kitchen to feed the homeless, should be treated any differently than another organisation that does the same, while churches that don't have any charity programs shouldn't be treated as charities.

 

I don't disagree, but what should be treated as a charity; the church body itself or a seperate 'arm' of the church that does charitable things? Note that the bill states that a 'congregation' cannot be considered a charity. There is nothing to stop a St John's Catholic Church setting up a small volunteer charity affiliated with that runs a soup kitchen...but the Church itself cannot be a charity. It's for auditing and accountancy purposes.

Reading the bill would help guys Smiley

Perhaps a definition of "charity" is in order, instead of just saying who's not a charity.

That can be arranged.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 11:29:39 AM »


Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 05:30:07 PM »


Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.

Isn't it dangerous to say "support" though? I mean I don't have a problem with the charity as long as they obey the constitution, but if they voice their displeasure with it with their freedom of speech, I don't see a problem with that.

But the issue is over charitable status (and associated perks) It should not be in the government's interest to give tax breaks to organisations supporting unconstitutional measures.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2011, 03:51:49 PM »


Very straightforward; you cannot be a registered charity if you espouse ideals contrary to the constitution.

Isn't it dangerous to say "support" though? I mean I don't have a problem with the charity as long as they obey the constitution, but if they voice their displeasure with it with their freedom of speech, I don't see a problem with that.

But the issue is over charitable status (and associated perks) It should not be in the government's interest to give tax breaks to organisations supporting unconstitutional measures.

To be clear though, you're saying if someone from the potential charity states their disagreement with our constitution, they would exempt them from getting benefits to help them provide for others and turn around lives?

Yes. I really am scratching my head here; do you think we should give benefits to charities that oppose the constitution? Say (Godwin's law/Seinfeld reference here) the local Nazi Group that believes in racial supremacy and the ending of democracy runs a soup kitchen; should we be able to give it regional funds to do so and recognise it as a charity?
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 06:47:58 AM »

I'm withdrawing this bill. I feel I have done my best to explain precisely why certain provisions were included in the bill but the support is clearly not there; charities shall remain unregulated! Huzzah!

I'm off to set one up and siphon the funds Wink
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