Western Europe political parties survivor (Phase II) - Group B COMPLETE

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Conservative Party (UK)

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Eliminate
Centre Party (Norway)
Liberal Democrats (UK)
Conservative Party (UK)

Immunity
Moderate Party (Sweden)
Danish Social Liberal Party

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5 for the Conservative Party (UK)
4 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)
3 for the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
2 for the Austrian People's Party
1 for the Centre Party (Norway)

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Eliminate
8 for the Conservative Party (UK)
4 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)
2 for the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
1 for the Austrian People's Party

Keep
4 for the Democrats 66 (Netherlands)
2 for the National Front (France)
1 for the Sweden Democrats

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Eliminate
5 for the Conservative Party (UK)

Keep
2 for the National Front (France)

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So, the final phase will be between Greens and "progressive" centre-right... how boring and falsely modern...

I think we both want this survivor to be interesting, the difference is that you think that having the "establishment" parties that we hear about in the news all the time and everyone knows it's history is interesting, while i think that eliminating early all the parties that always reach final rounds of survivors in favor of parties we actually have to read something about them and their history is more interesting Oh and welcome back

Eliminate
3 for the Conservative Party (UK)
2 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)
1 for the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)

Immunity
3 for the National Coalition Party (Finland)
2 for the Party for Freedom (Netherlands)
1 for the Sweden Democrats

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3 for the Conservative Party (UK)
2 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)
2 for the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)
2 for the Centre Party (Norway)
1 for the Centre Party (Sweden)

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It seems that i'll have more chance to eliminate the friggin LibDems than the Conserva party

Eliminate
8 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)
1 for the Conservative Party (UK)
1 for the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)

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Meh...

3 for the Conservative Party (UK)
3 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)
2 for the Christian Democratic Union/Christian Social Union (Germany)

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Eliminate
3 for the Conservative Party (UK)
2 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)

Immunity
2 for the Conservative Party (Norway)
1 for the Danish Social Liberal Party

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1 for the Liberal Democrats (UK)

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Wait, what? Where did this "Promotion" rule come from?
Maybe i'm missing when the threads will be merged or something but is there any reason why we have a promotion vote this round instead of in round 13?

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I fully believe you made a mistake, you are a good guy and i wouldn't accuse you of pulling a "Libertas" but I'm going to tell you why I'm pretty pissed right now

I've pretty much been on the opposite side of basically every one that voted in this survivor for months, my votes usually don't influence the result at all since nobody votes the parties i want out. Maybe i had a more recent success but the last tie i remember my vote having any influence in the results was when i managed to vote for the UMP and eliminate it, something that happened almost exactly 1 month ago, since then my votes have been doomed to failure day after day.
Now i finally have a good round with he LibDems eliminated, but i usually voted to have the Tories out before the LibDems so the victory wasn't complete (And frankly the LibDems were eliminated thanks to the 2 guys that gave 9 votes to it, and not because of me)
According to my calculations if the same people that voted last round votes in this one then the UK Conservative Party would be out, because the combined votes of Hans, Ethelbert, Nhoj and myself would have been greater than the votes of the rest of the users combined, so there was close to a 100%chance of the Conservatives going out.

But suddenly comes a Promotion vote that as far as i know wasn't advertised where there is a pretty good chance that the Tories will be promoted leaving everyone who voted for the Conservatives last round hanging in the wind.

I know your mistake was in good faith, I'm not questioning that at all, but it was your mistake, not ours, and the explanation that it all should be Symmetric is not really enough for me. Been waiting months with wasted votes and when i finally get my votes to count, then something else screws me. I think i have a right to be a bit annoyed.

Anyway, if the Tories aren't promoted this round and after next round they are still here I'll keep on playing like always (yep, wasting my votes even ), but if the Tories are promoted i think I'll stop voting in this survivor.

Again, i think this was an honest mistake and of course there is always the chance that the Tories aren't promoted and CDU or some other will. In fact, if need be, with great pains i would even vote to promote CDU just so the Conservas aren't promoted.
So yes, this is not a threat and I'm not really angry, it's more of a rant and to explain why i sounded pissy in my last message

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I've talked with Antonio a bit via PM and the fact is that i'm a bit embarrased of being frustrated yesterday, i think he's doing a great job with this big survivor and the truth is that I would keep voting in it even if the Tories are promoted
I guess it was a rant of the moment

Still, i suppose i have to, with great pains, vote for CDU which is a tragedy for me since after the LibDems it was my other big target

4 for CDU/CSU
4 for Moderate Party (Sweden)
1 for Conservative People's Party (Denmark)

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9 for the Conservative Party (UK)

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Now i don't know who to vote

Christian Democrats (Sweden)
Centre Party (Finland)

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2 for the Centre Party (Finland)

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If you guys hadn't eliminated PASOK, FDP, the Social Democratic Party of Switzerland, Fianna Fáil, the Coalition of the Radical Left of Greece, Sinn Fein, the Socialist Party of Portugal, the Social Democratic Party of Portugal and the Front National among others then we could maybe have some more variety overall. Heck, even though i probably gave them a few points now and then Fine Gael, the Swiss People's Party and the Austrian People's Party would probably be fine additions to the final group.

But instead you decided to protect the same old boring parties we already know everything about like the Tories, the SPD, the LibDems, PSOE, etc

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If I well remember, you are the one who caused the elimination of the SPS. I was also one of the staunchest defenders of PASOK, and I think I managed to save it a few times.

FDP, Epic Fail, SYRIZA, and FN are all crap, the last two deserving to be ousted far earlier than they actually were.

And yeah, I like "old boring parties we already know everything about". They are among the richest and most interesting parties in this survivor.

Well yeah, i caused it in the sense that i voted to eliminate the SPD of Germany without making calculations and the SPS was eliminated, it's not like i voted to oust it.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion of course, i don't think that the parties i mentioned are crap, but to each his own. This isn't a Major European parties survivor, if you wanted that you should have just organized a small survivor of 30 or so parties instead of this massive one that consists of more than 100. Don't get me wrong, i LOVE that you included a lot of other parties that aren't so major and i have enjoyed the survivor thus far, but i just thought it would be interesting to keep lesser known parties instead of the same parties that appear in several other survivors like the SPD of Germany that won in the socialist international parties survivor for instance. We also had several survivors where we had to choose between parties of a country, i know there were French and German parties survivors (the German one was one by...surprise... the SPD again ) and the more recent Spanish parties. I don't remember if we had a survivor of UK parties but we sure as hell had several of their prime ministers and party leaders. So yes, i find it a bit boring that these parties appear in final rounds of survivors again.

Anyway, i don't think people (including myself) that voted for the conservatives and the SPD and the LibDems, etc are "assholes", but we probably just have a different opinion on how the survivor should flow. For instance Hans likes the Green parties and so he votes to protect them, maybe they aren't old relics with a lot of history but he likes them and it's just another way of approaching voting in survivors, after all as Fab usually points out different people have different priorities in the game.

And I'm going to repeat this once more just in case. I LIKE the survivor, i consider Antonio a good mate and I'm not really complaining about it (i don't particularly care that much if there are too many Scandinavian parties or not, i mean sure some variety would be nicer but i don't have huge problems with it) but i thought i should respond to Antonio's post, and it's not because of the "asshole" part of the post since i know he uses that in jest (At least i hope he does )

I still have weeks of suffering though since my crusade is still far from over and i expect some agonizing days for my votes. The CDU, PSOE, Labour party of the UK and the french Socialist party are still alive and kicking