SENATE BILL: 2011 Education Act (Law'd)

[Ban my account ffs!]

Do you really think separating groups is a solution to solve an inequality ? This is a mistake that has often been made, with dramatic consequences. Just like those who thought imposing racial quotas to universities would have solved the problem of racial inequalities... I staunchly oppose any form of "positive discrimination", and I believe I have some reasons to.

And also, you can always make a big deal of boys underperforming girls at school (of course I also wish to fix this problem), but considering that, despite this, women still end up having lower jobs than men and get paid less for the same job, maybe this isn't exactly the most important problem of gender inequalities.

Then I invite you to write a bill that seeks to close the pay and achievement gap in the work force.

This bill has to do with education.  Right now, we are failing boys.  Girls excel in the current setup because they are more patient and diligent in getting things done on their own.  And it's precisely because they are girls that that is the case.  Does it mean I think one sex is better than the other?  No.

But I obviously stopped trying to appeal to you a while ago, Antonio.  You've been nothing but obstinate and incredulous throughout this whole debate.  I'm instead trying to work out a compromise with our conservative colleagues that actually embrace reform as a necessary part of improving education.

And to my conservative colleagues:  As I have opined before, I believe that the federal role in education should be limited.  That is why the pilot program I proposed is just that.  I want the bulk of the bill to be for reducing class size, which I believe is an appropriate federal intervention in the classroom.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I think we all agree on reducing class sizes, and I'm fully open to supporting that measure.

[bgwah]

If it's just a pilot, then I don't think we should worry about gender separation so much. If it proves to be undesirable, then it was only a pilot and will not be expanded to other schools...

[Oakvale]

I second bgwah's comment - there's really no point in getting worked up over a small-scale pilot program. Let's try this experiment, see the results, and then get into the ethics of it...

Also, yeah, I doubt anyone will have a problem with reducing class sizes. It's a no-brainer.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Where will the pilots be employed? I'm on my phone so if it's in the bill, my apologies.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

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[Antonio the Sixth]

This bill has to do with education.  Right now, we are failing boys.  Girls excel in the current setup because they are more patient and diligent in getting things done on their own.  And it's precisely because they are girls that that is the case.  Does it mean I think one sex is better than the other?  No.

And for you, this is enough to deduce a natural difference. This is the problem.

Girls tend (and this word is important) to be more partient and diligent in getting things done on their own. This might be due to a difference in their brain, or simply to the fact that they receive a different education from the society. Boys are taught to "affirm themselves", to show the "have balls", to get what they want. Girls, instead, are taught to be modest, to do their best to please other people, to be patient, etc. That's just the projection of our social stereotypes on school.

And instead of trying to fight those stereotypes, you instead try to adapt school to them. You officialize them. You "naturalize" them. This is a colossal regression, a vision every progressive (every liberal in the true sense of the word) must fight against in order to reach a society where every person is born equal. I'm fed up of all these "pragmatists", who constantly appeal to "common sense" and are unable to see the social (moral) consequences of their actions.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It would be fruitful to provide a level of federal fundding if the Northeast adopts Eucharistic program, as the results of such could be beneficial nationwide.

What is that exactly, I am afraid I am not familiar with that?

[Napoleon]

It would be fruitful to provide a level of federal fundding if the Northeast adopts Eucharistic program, as the results of such could be beneficial nationwide.

What is that exactly, I am afraid I am not familiar with that?

Was supposed to say pilot..um, I have no idea how in the heck that happened.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I was gonna say.. a eucharistic program?  Are we now offering the blood of Christ after PE? 

[Napoleon]

I was gonna say.. a eucharistic program?  Are we now offering the blood of Christ after PE? 

Anything for the children, Senator.

[tmthforu94]

While I would never support a full on implementation of separating boys and girls, running it as a pilot program would certainly be interesting.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Any other ideas to include in this bill. The Senator did say it was open ended?


This is like talking to a wall. The only response I get back are the crickets and other sounds of the night.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I feel like everyone here supports smaller classes and most have reservations separating the sexes. We might as well vote on it now instead of talking to a wall, yank.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I would still like to know how we pay for this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well Shua knows what to ask atleast.


When I said other ideas I mean "OTHER IDEAS". Think beyond the current contents and think of other improvements or experiements to be included. A bill can't be open ended if nothing is added to it in the course of the debate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am very displeased this has languished for so long.


So I will ask again (and trust to good faith that someone actually understands it), is there any other "alternative classroom environments" that could be put into the bill in similar fashion as a test or experiment to measure its potential.


And finally I would like an answer to shua's question.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I am absolutely in favor of reducing class sizes, but I'm still not sure about gender segregation.

[Oakvale]

Again, I think it's crucial to note that this is only a pilot program - there's really no harm in seeing how the ideas presented in the bill work on a small scale.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Again, I think it's crucial to note that this is only a pilot program - there's really no harm in seeing how the ideas presented in the bill work on a small scale.

Well, I'll definitively vote aye. Just saying about gender thing

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are there any pilot programs that should be included for the sake of experimenting with various technologies that might aid the learning environment?

[Oakvale]

Are there any pilot programs that should be included for the sake of experimenting with various technologies that might aid the learning environment?

Laptops! Laptops!

[/geek]

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oakvale seeks redemption for innactivity, by being first to actually do what I command of you.


T H I N K


Though, I do think laptops are already being experimented with most likely.

Seriously people, start throwing stuff out there.

[Oakvale]

Oakvale seeks redemption for innactivity

I'm returning from the wilderness.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have asked it as many ways I can think of so, 

final vote soon.