Clegg's Lords proposals are made of fail

[Peeperkorn]

If the Lords changed it's name to "The Senate" and was fully elected, I would have little problem with it.

Why would you need a Senate in a parliamentary system? Spain has one ("elected" I believe, and it does nothing). Clegg is a clown.

I repeat, the legitimacy of Lords comes for tradition and tradition is important for every nation.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

A Senate would probably end up as an utter joke like in Canada.

[Phony Moderate]

Why would you need a Senate in a parliamentary system? Spain has one ("elected" I believe, and it does nothing). Clegg is a clown.

To prevent parliament from overstepping it's boundaries, above anything else.

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Once upon a time, slavery was considered traditional. Yeah, yeah. Cheap I know.

[Peeperkorn]

Why would you need a Senate in a parliamentary system? Spain has one ("elected" I believe, and it does nothing). Clegg is a clown.

To prevent parliament from overstepping it's boundaries, above anything else.

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Once upon a time, slavery was considered traditional. Yeah, yeah. Cheap I know.

Slavery was an economical factor of certain production models. Very cheap.

[Peeperkorn]

Read Arend Lijphart, "Democracy in Plural Societies: A Comparative Exploration".

[minionofmidas]

Is there any real reason to keep the House of Lords at all?

No.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I would have a massive problem with calling any kind of upper house a 'Senate'. Urgh.

[Simfan34]

A bland upper house is worse than none at all. And I'm of the opinion unitary states don't really need upper houses; who do they represent?

I say, now without irony, that the ideal solution would be to return to the pre-Blair hereditary system (if not even further back) whilst making the house completely powerless, maybe with some "prerogatives".

Right now the Lords is a farce, a Senate-for-life much like Canada's with the fairly unimportant distinction that its members get a noble title along with their seat. I mean, a life peerage is even less a noble title than it is just an honour. The political Lords has been terrible.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I would have a massive problem with calling any kind of upper house a 'Senate'. Urgh.

Yeah, that would sound very un-British.

[You kip if you want to...]

Just watching the highlights of Clegg's speech on News at 10. Clegg getting laughed at, nothing I love more.

[Silent Hunter]

Government climbs down over the timetable

[YL]

Looks like this is dead.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/03/lib-dems-abandon-lords-reform

[Supersonic]

Looks like this is dead.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/03/lib-dems-abandon-lords-reform

Yes! Finally! Cameron was stupid to try and force these proposals through his backbenchers, he just weakened his own position.

[Leftbehind]

God, the Liberals are ing useless (as if it was in doubt).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Do they have any red lines at all?

[You kip if you want to...]

Also shows that the Tory right are the same wreckers that they were in the 90s as well.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Is there any real reason to keep the House of Lords at all?

It's a British thing. You won't understand.

[You kip if you want to...]

Is there any real reason to keep the House of Lords at all?

It's a British thing. You won't understand.

Most of us don't even understand.

[Comrade Funk]

Clegg fail.

[Lief 🗽]

It's pretty hilarious how far Clegg's star has fallen since he "won" that first debate.

[YL]

Do they have any red lines at all?

Well, supposedly they're threatening to sabotage the boundary review as revenge.

[You kip if you want to...]

Do they have any red lines at all?

Well, supposedly they're threatening to sabotage the boundary review as revenge.

The LibDems say a lot of things.

[minionofmidas]

Do they have any red lines at all?

Well, supposedly they're threatening to sabotage the boundary review as revenge.

I'd believe that if I saw it.

[Silent Hunter]

Clegg says Lords reform plans abandoned, "coalition contract broken", will not back boundary review

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Clegg says Lords reform plans abandoned, "coalition contract broken", will not back boundary review

Thought he said their fate wasn't tied together.

Sums him right up. Truly disgusting, vile excuse of a politician. Just when we all thought his approval rating couldn't get any lower.

And as for the PM, he's looking more and more like John Major and less and less like Margaret Thatcher every day. Isn't it extraordinary that the Prime Minister of our country can't even urge his party to support his own position? Weak, weak, weak.