Clegg's Lords proposals are made of fail

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They are very good proposals

There is a compromise struck between what the Conservatives want (no change at all, see the Bishops still hanging around) and what we've always wanted (elected, accountable members)

As with the AV referendum, which was defeated by Labour, it's up to Ed Miliband to do the right thing.

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It wasn't meaningless or self-serving, AV would have been a stepping stone towards real reform and the Labour Party bunked off their responsibility by deciding to kick Clegg rather than support it.

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Utter dribble.

"The LibDems want to have perpetual kingmaking power".

That's not the reason for these  proposals, at all. I'm sure other small parties would like to have a voice in parliament and Government, it would be unusual if that were not the case.

You seem to be under the impression that the Coalition is somehow undemocratic.  Utter dribble, completely wrong.  Labour won with barely a third of the vote and managed to run the country without the Orchestrated Outrage Brigade having a whinge.

These proposals do something no government has done before - drag the country into the 20th century. Maybe it'll be the 21st before I'm pushing up roses.

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Utter dribble.

"The LibDems want to have perpetual kingmaking power".

That's not the reason for these  proposals, at all. I'm sure other small parties would like to have a voice in parliament and Government, it would be unusual if that were not the case.

Of course not................Now you keep thinking what honest, wonderful people the Lib-Dems are.

I'm a card carrying LibDem for 12 years strong, you don't need to ask me.

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House of Lords reform can wait.