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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2011, 09:24:19 AM »

But it wouldn't be today, and they are the only state that legally has the right to leave the Union.

Isn't that just an urban legend?
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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2011, 10:46:44 AM »

But it wouldn't be today, and they are the only state that legally has the right to leave the Union.

Isn't that just an urban legend?

I believe it's the result of a misunderstanding of the terms of the annexation of Texas. According to the 166 years-old annexation documents, Texas has the right to spin-off up to four additional States from its territory. Normally this would require the approval of Congress as per Article Four of the Constitution, but in this case the new states would be 'pre-approved' by the Congress of 1845.

To the best of my knowledge, using this provision has never been seriously suggested by anyone, but it is interesting to contemplate the effects that the introduction of four new 'Texan' states might have on the Electoral College.
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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2011, 02:24:13 PM »

El Paso should really have been assigned to New Mexico. There's such a huge gap between El Paso and the nearest small city in Texas (Odessa) that the inclusion of El Paso in Texas had to be driven by political pressures over common sense. Heck, Roswell is closer to El Paso. Such would probably make New Mexico a very solid D state. A state encompassing the border from about Eagle Pass  and Corpus Christi southward would be rather liberal too, as would southern urban Texas (encompassing Austin, San Antonio, Houston, and Beaumont). The Texas Panhandle, the Midland-Odessa area, and he western part of Texas (encompassing Abilene, Wichita Falls, Amarillo, and Lubbock as well) would be the most right-wing State in the Union. The rest, east-central, northeast and most of eastern Texas  would have only one liberal area (Dallas) and vote much like Oklahoma. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2011, 02:27:53 PM »

East Texas, like East Oklahoma, is still strong for Democrats at a state level and is willing to vote for at least a moderate Southerner.

A state made of the Panhandle/West Texas would vote >70% Republican at minimum.
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« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2011, 02:36:40 PM »

Nate Silver did a VERY good job explaining how a five-state split of Texas would impact the electoral college. Highly recommended reading.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/messing-with-texas.html

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« Reply #55 on: May 31, 2011, 04:48:52 PM »
« Edited: May 31, 2011, 04:53:33 PM by FL ST 800.02 »

Defending someone being called out for  alleged anti-American rhethoric by defending said alleged anti-American rhethoric?

Wow. Seriously? This is like telling the Sheriff that has come to question your role in someone getting stabbed in a bar fight and telling them, "fu k you, Stupid fag. I'll kill you if you keep asking me stupid effin questions" Tongue
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« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2011, 06:24:27 PM »

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« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2011, 07:09:46 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.
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« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2011, 10:01:01 PM »

I don't think he has much of a shot, for one reason he is the successor to the previous Texas governor to become POTUS.  Gov./Pres. George W. Bush, IMO, tainted the Texas governor platform and Perry hasn't done anything to make amends for his predecessor's "wrongdoings".
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« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2011, 10:11:44 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.

True but if she does run, he could lose valuable time from his life campaigning.  He could win with her running, but much easier without.  She'd probably endorse him for one thing.
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« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2011, 10:32:53 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.

True but if she does run, he could lose valuable time from his life campaigning.  He could win with her running, but much easier without.  She'd probably endorse him for one thing.

Perhaps he should just start an exploratory committee and, rather than actually campaign, just spend a few weeks raising some obscene amount of money (like $50 million.....as sitting governor of Texas, the sky's the limit).  That'll hopefully scare off enough potential rivals that he'll have an easier time winning, and won't have to do as much real campaigning.  Wink
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« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2011, 10:45:50 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.

True but if she does run, he could lose valuable time from his life campaigning.  He could win with her running, but much easier without.  She'd probably endorse him for one thing.

Perhaps he should just start an exploratory committee and, rather than actually campaign, just spend a few weeks raising some obscene amount of money (like $50 million.....as sitting governor of Texas, the sky's the limit).  That'll hopefully scare off enough potential rivals that he'll have an easier time winning, and won't have to do as much real campaigning.  Wink

With a EC, he could also participate in the debates as well...
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« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2011, 10:48:00 PM »

I imagine the Bush people will go out of their way to destroy him if he tries to run.
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« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2011, 10:52:39 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.

True but if she does run, he could lose valuable time from his life campaigning.  He could win with her running, but much easier without.  She'd probably endorse him for one thing.

Perhaps he should just start an exploratory committee and, rather than actually campaign, just spend a few weeks raising some obscene amount of money (like $50 million.....as sitting governor of Texas, the sky's the limit).  That'll hopefully scare off enough potential rivals that he'll have an easier time winning, and won't have to do as much real campaigning.  Wink


Not just governor of Texas but he's head of Republican Governors Association.  Actually sounds like Huntsman has impressive fundraisers but I'd wonder if his poll weakness would make donors shy.

An alternative for Perry to scaring people off, he could just stay out until Cain, Bachmann, Palin all implode.


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« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2011, 11:02:48 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.

True but if she does run, he could lose valuable time from his life campaigning.  He could win with her running, but much easier without.  She'd probably endorse him for one thing.

Perhaps he should just start an exploratory committee and, rather than actually campaign, just spend a few weeks raising some obscene amount of money (like $50 million.....as sitting governor of Texas, the sky's the limit).  That'll hopefully scare off enough potential rivals that he'll have an easier time winning, and won't have to do as much real campaigning.  Wink


Not just governor of Texas but he's head of Republican Governors Association.  Actually sounds like Huntsman has impressive fundraisers but I'd wonder if his poll weakness would make donors shy.

An alternative for Perry to scaring people off, he could just stay out until Cain, Bachmann, Palin all implode.



I dont think Cain will implode.
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« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2011, 11:05:06 PM »

If he waits until Palin announces she's not running (which could be a long time depending on how much media attention she wants) he could lose valuable campaigning time.

True but if she does run, he could lose valuable time from his life campaigning.  He could win with her running, but much easier without.  She'd probably endorse him for one thing.

Perhaps he should just start an exploratory committee and, rather than actually campaign, just spend a few weeks raising some obscene amount of money (like $50 million.....as sitting governor of Texas, the sky's the limit).  That'll hopefully scare off enough potential rivals that he'll have an easier time winning, and won't have to do as much real campaigning.  Wink


Not just governor of Texas but he's head of Republican Governors Association.  Actually sounds like Huntsman has impressive fundraisers but I'd wonder if his poll weakness would make donors shy.

An alternative for Perry to scaring people off, he could just stay out until Cain, Bachmann, Palin all implode.

I dont think Cain will implode.

My bet is he will.  It seems fairly easy to when you have the electoral inexperience Cain has.
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« Reply #66 on: June 09, 2011, 04:01:21 PM »

The Perry speculation builds, now that a couple of his key advisors, who had been working for Gingrich, but have now resigned, are free to work on Perry 2012, should he run:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-20070377-504564.html

"Perry to run for president in 2012" has shot up to 50.0 on Intrade, while Perry to win the GOP nomination is up to 10.5 and 4th place.
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« Reply #67 on: June 09, 2011, 05:05:53 PM »

I doubt he'll run.  If he did, I'd probably back him.
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« Reply #68 on: June 09, 2011, 05:06:32 PM »

I doubt he'll run.  If he did, I'd probably back him.

Because he is so moderate, huh?
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« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2011, 05:16:11 PM »


Huh?
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« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2011, 10:32:09 PM »


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In what world is Inks known for being a moderate?

Anyway, Perry might serve a great purpose: being the anti Romney. I know it's early but the current crop might not be strong enough to stop him. If Perry is the guy to stop him, so be it. I'm not some huge Perry fan but I've never had a problem with him. Looks like I could be going with the two Ricks (and Pawlenty) for my top 2012 picks.
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« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2011, 10:50:46 PM »


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In what world is Inks known for being a moderate?

Anyway, Perry might serve a great purpose: being the anti Romney. I know it's early but the current crop might not be strong enough to stop him. If Perry is the guy to stop him, so be it. I'm not some huge Perry fan but I've never had a problem with him. Looks like I could be going with the two Ricks (and Pawlenty) for my top 2012 picks.

Perry's only purpose in life is being a bigger pompous windbag than Romney and Palin combined. 
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« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2011, 12:34:23 AM »


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In what world is Inks known for being a moderate?

Compared to a guy that advocated secession even you're moderate Phil. Wink
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« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2011, 01:15:49 PM »

If he runs, it would be very disenguous. He told the people of Texas that he would serve out his full third term if he were reelected.
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« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2011, 01:26:17 PM »

So, in the unlikely event that he were elected President and the Lt. Governor were elected to the Senate, who would take over as Governor of Texas?
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