Revival Proposal

[lilTommy]

Since this is rolling how about the create some details about the "New" revamped Antilla:

Union of Antilla
Population: 2,671,897
Capital: St. Marks (pop. 511,384)

I have an image in my gallery of where Antilla would be located/size?
Its a start?

[lilTommy]

Going add some more, let me know what you think (used the link proved for simple PR)
Election results:
•SocialDemocrats (37.9%): 190
•Liberal (23.5%): 118
•Cooperative (20.2%): 101
•Nationalist(Pf) (10.8%): 54
•PopularMovement (7.6%): 37

Votes 1551242 of 1867102 (16.9% abstention).
Last election saw the defeat of the Liberal / Popular Movement coalition which suffered a backlash due to poor economic management including a failed attempt to privatise BankAntilla (state owned bank), and proposed public sector and spending cuts.
The Pitfarris Nationalist won a huge vote on the island, earning for the first time over 50% of the vote (reflected in the 10% nationwide).
The relatively new Cooperative Party (created 3yrs ago by dissident leftist SD's and the smaller Green Party (primarily urban) and Agrarian Party(mostly rural)) performed better than expected with a popular former governor as leader and more radical platform;
The SDP (the traditionally strongest of the parties) will be tasked with governing, being returned to power after 5yrs in opposition.

[lilTommy]

Marksland (979,331)
Lindsay (600,348)
Pifarris (314,677)
Peterford (89,471)
Fiskby (23,317)

Bronseland (664,753) One of the first regions of Antilla to be settled, first by Norse Vikings who were primarily escaping the strong-man rule of Harald; Due to its more favorable climate and location than Iceland, within the North Sea, Bronseland grew rapidly. The Danish Vikings in what would become Marksland, traded and worked collectively with the Norse rather than war to the benefit of both settlements. Bronseland along with Fiskby and Marksland, were the first regions to unify under the flag of Antilla after seeking greater independence from the Denmark-Norway in 1699. English crown was extended over the entire island after concessions were given to the Antillans in the form of an Island Assembly of Nobles from all regions, and the protection of the Nordansk language (which is still spoken by about 15% of the population. After the 1800 Acts of Union which created the UK, Antilla declined to unite and in 1802 the Union of Antilla was born. Bronseland has long been a region of strength for the left, recently the Cooperative Party has rivaled the SDP for superiority, both receiving over 30% last election; pockets of strength for the Liberals remain in the suburbs of major cities, and the far west wealthier valley border areas with Fiskby and Marksland.

Kristiana (312,864) – Grew into the Cultural and Educational centre of Antilla, home to Cultural institutes: the National Theatre Company of Antilla, Hage Museum of History and the Nissen MacAdams National Art Gallery. Three University’s: Settlers University, Kings University, University of Bronseland. Kristiana is home to the largest Dutch, Slavic, Jewish and immigrants from Indochina. A longheld stronghold of the left, the city has been governed almost continuously by the Social Democrats from the 1900’s till 2002, with only one break from 1929-1937 where the Workers Party/Agrarian Party governed under the first Marxist government. In 2002 the Greens won then were reelected under the rebranding as the Cooperative party 3yrs ago.

[lilTommy]

with the history/bio i put up there for Bronseland... i tried to make sure i was inline to some degree with the Pitfarris bio...

unless one person creates a generic national/regional bio?

[lilTommy]

Oh, how so? I'm not married to them, and I'm one for continuity

[lilTommy]

Marksland (979,331)
Lindsay (600,348)
Pifarris (314,677)
Peterford (89,471)
Fiskby (23,317)

Bronseland (664,753) One of the first regions of Antilla to be settled, first by Norse Vikings who were primarily escaping the strong-man rule of Harald; Due to its more favorable climate and location than Iceland, within the North Sea, Bronseland grew rapidly. The Danish Vikings in what would become Marksland, traded and worked collectively with the Norse rather than war to the benefit of both settlements. Bronseland along with Fiskby and Marksland, were the first regions to unify under the flag of Antilla after seeking greater independence from the Denmark-Norway in 1699. English crown was extended over the entire island after concessions were given to the Antillans in the form of an Island Assembly of Nobles from all regions, and the protection of the Nordansk language (which is still spoken by about 15% of the population. After the 1800 Acts of Union which created the UK, Antilla declined to unite and in 1802 the Union of Antilla was born. Bronseland has long been a region of strength for the left, recently the Cooperative Party has rivaled the SDP for superiority, both receiving over 30% last election; pockets of strength for the Liberals remain in the suburbs of major cities, and the far west wealthier valley border areas with Fiskby and Marksland.

Kristiana (312,864) – Grew into the Cultural and Educational centre of Antilla, home to Cultural institutes: the National Theatre Company of Antilla, Hage Museum of History and the Nissen MacAdams National Art Gallery. Three University’s: Settlers University, Kings University, University of Bronseland. Kristiana is home to the largest Dutch, Slavic, Jewish and immigrants from Indochina. A longheld stronghold of the left, the city has been governed almost continuously by the Social Democrats from the 1900’s till 2002, with only one break from 1929-1937 where the Workers Party/Agrarian Party governed under the first Marxist government. In 2002 the Greens won then were reelected under the rebranding as the Cooperative party 3yrs ago.

I think that there should be more parity between the provinces, population-wise. Fiskby in particular is underpopulated, although with 150 members, it is still populous enough that it deserves one seat. However, I think it should have a higher population, simply from a game mechanics perspective, in case more people join the game and want to be from Fiskby.

With a total population of roughly 2.7 million, the cube root rule would have the size of the Parliament at about 140 seats. I think 150 is a good number.

Using the current population figures for each province and a  150-seat Parliament would give the following apportionments, depending on the method used.

D'Hondt or Jefferson: Marksland 55, Bronseland 38, Lindsay 34, Pitfarris 17, Peterford 5, Fiskby 1
Hamilton, Webster, or Huntington-Hill: Marksland 55, Bronseland 37, Lindsay 34, Pitfarris 18, Peterford 5, Fiskby 1
Adams: Marksland 54, Bronsland 37, Lindsay 34, Pitfarris 18, Peterford 5, Fiskby 2

we could re-allocate some of the population... i'd still like some smaller more rural regions like Fiskby but i see your point, if we move about 200000 to peterford and fiskby that should work... plus the Nationalists can only ever get win as many as 18 seats and we already agreed that they would be at 22. For me 18 makes more sense since its a much smaller island

[lilTommy]

If I may butt in without being too late to the party, I think it would be interesting if one party (the Liberals would work best, methinks) were very strong on the outlying island but a clear third on Antillia proper. Presumably in this case it would have a certain nationalist element, which I think would make for an interesting dynamic.

Pitfarris already has a separate nationalist party.

I'm not arguing for uniformity. I just think it would be a good idea for the smallest region to be populous enough to have several MPs, so that multiple players can represent that region if they so choose. That region could still be dominated by rural interests, it would just be a bit more populated.

I meant uniformity within regions - obviously no one is calling for the regions to be equal in population terms!

My point is that if these are ancient divisions of some kind (with the exceptions of the carve-outs for the cities), then there can be significant variation within them. There's also no need for the regions to = the pr constituency boundaries.

I agree.

I think at this point, one person or a group of people should 'adopt a region' (preferrably one they are in) and set about creating it's character; it's economy, the sort of people who live there and issues they face. Basically build up each region in order to create a national varied picture.

My home region of Bronseland has already been done, but I'm willing to take on another region if that's okay. I'll do Fiskby, since no one is from there yet.

Sent you a message, not sure if it sent? feel free to let me know if you'd like to see anything in the Bronseland details, i'ev already begun to add some deatil to the history and some counties & Cities... your home too so let me know

[lilTommy]

Potential Flag



And one for Pitfarris

Thats exactly the flag i had planned for Bronseland! esp

[lilTommy]

We need to look at population figures again; the first attempt makes no sense given the map that we have.

Marksland - is on the south of the mainland and contains the largest city by far. But it's not going to dominate. Let's say a population of around 700,000. Of which c. 500,000 is in the Greater St Mark's Area and c. 350,000 within St Mark's city. Which makes it about the same size as Cardiff or Edinburgh, according to measurement chosen.

Pitfarris - it's clear that the Pitfarris Question is a big one in terms of the politics of our new nation. Which means that a significant percentage of the population have to live here. Let's say around 450,000, making it the second largest region. Of these around 200,000 are in Auldburgh, making it about the same size as Aberdeen.

Bronseland - not sure about this one, but the main city is very close to St Mark's, which would be good for growth. So around 400,000, with about 300,000 in the Greater Kristiana area and about 250,000 in the city itself.

Peterford - is an obvious location for a rather grim industrial region with a falling population. Lets say around 350,000 with about 150,000 of these in Fellsands (so roughly the same population as Swansea) and the rest in smaller towns.

Lindsay - is an obvious location for our little island's agricultural centre. Again, around 350,000 with about 100,000 of these in Lindsay-on-Sea.

Fiskby - the location of Breheim looks industrial, so lets run with that. Similar to Peterford, but a lot smaller. Let's say just 150,000 and only about 30,000 of these in Breheim.

This gives us a population of about 2.4 million, of which about 18% would like on an island that has issues with its union and which would almost certainly be significantly over-represented in the Parliament as a result of historic deals.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Control freak and all that. One that can't add up either, probably. But these are only vague proposals.

I can play with those numbers, im writing up a bio and it only means a few small updates mostly to population figures

[lilTommy]

So far, counties/towns i have are:

Sorland (North, 50,756) Main Town - Fairhairfjord
Vanaheimr (Far North, 50,485) Main Town - Freyjasby
 - I'm looking at making the topography mountainous in the north here, and thus mining is an old and current industry, fishing is still going to be big, heavily Nordansk speaking.

Kystenland (South Coastal east metro, 38,345) Main Town - Kaupangen
Aesirheimr (West, west metro, 30,681) Main Town - Godfridham
Vikingrlag (Metro, 25,349) Maint Town - Halfdanberg
 - These will be more like valleys, better farming areas. All southern, metro counties, wealthier, commuter to some degree but farming and sheep hearding are still important but dwindling due to influct of commuter communities.

Hvite Dalen (Far West, 11,773) Main Town – St. Olaf
 - A valley between mountains to the north and south, heavily english, farming.

Kristiana - second largest city, royal city, cultural city (3 universities, museums, etc), trying to make it more an opposite of St. Marks which would be the economic and legislative centre of the country. Arts would be huge so i think TV production (home of the state owned network RTA), animation, IT would be new industries
thoughts?

[lilTommy]

Kristiana - second largest city, royal city, cultural city (3 universities, museums, etc), trying to make it more an opposite of St. Marks which would be the economic and legislative centre of the country. Arts would be huge so i think TV production (home of the state owned network RTA), animation, IT would be new industries
thoughts?

Yeah, I think that works, especially if its supposed to be the place where a New Left party is strongest. Without wanting to change the overall picture, a couple of suggested details; you could make it the former capital (with the switch to St Marks happening because... er... Colonial associations with Kristiana? That kind of thing), say. It's also an obvious location for a resort and there would have been some kind of port there at some point, even if its no longer working.

Exactly my thoughts... i should stop trying to be a perfectionist and post already... but yes i thought kristiana would have been the first capital of all the more Nordan regions before becoming a more english island...

[lilTommy]

... trying to post images... i have a topography map in my pictures, just its not posting? can anyone help?

[lilTommy]

trying to post it here... from my pictures in my profile... ya still new

[lilTommy]

The Red, Blue and Green map is a 'parity' map'; where if the left block, right block and nationalists would 'win' if they got a third of the vote share each.

Are the liberals to be counted with the right block?

In all honesty, it's simply hypothetical. The party situation isn't too clear.

I can try and clear it, let me know if everyone agrees

Social Democrats - Third way, centre-left similar to UK Labour party
Popular Movement Party - Christian Democratic, centre-right
Liberal Party - Europe Liberal, similer to German Free Democrats or Italy s old radicals
Pitfarris Nationalist Party - Nationalist, but not sure leaning, probably secondary anyway
Cooperative Party - New left-green-left, like Dutch Green Left adn Danish Socialist peoples
Independents - 4
National Patriot Party - Like UKIP, right wing, anti-immigrant, pro-business
 

[lilTommy]

If someone would like to help me figure out Marksland, it'd be much appreciated.

Let me help you get started, i would think that Marksland is some what similar to Bronseland but not as Nordic... ive started to write up Bronseland and made note "...The Danish Vikings in what would become Marksland..." So its location being more southerly facing i'd assume the danish to be the first settlers. But since it borders Lindsay, it would be a very mixed Region, where the English and Nordan (name of the scandianavian peoples of Antilla, they speak Nordanks) are pretty even, if not the edge to the english.
I put a topographic map in my images, gave it one large mountain, but its mostly coastal good for farming ang fishing...

St. Marks, is the Largest city, national capital... i would then assume the centre of business and politics as well, probably more friendly to the Liberals and Popular Movement but would have strong areas for the Social Democrats to do well, maybe one area where the Cooperatives could win.... I'm modelling it as an opposite to Kristiana (being the Royal capital, heavy on the cuture)

[lilTommy]

Hope this works...Couple maps, let me know what you think of this topographic map:



Bronselands Counties, took teh advice and tried to anglo-them up some, but they are mostly old norse based names:



Bronseland Counties (black) and Councils (grey) and which party controls or is the largest party/ Then followed the Pitfarris example and made one which showed which is controlled by the left or right:

[lilTommy]

Very, very good work. The topography for Pitfarris is spot on too. Really like the political maps too.

Thanks! i remember, think it was you Al, that mentioned Pitfarris was mountainous on the eastern coast.

Also, it leads me to why Fisky as a small population, since most of the south is very mountainous, i would say Antillas largest mountain perhaps lies there.

Bronseland comes across very Nordic feeling, Heavily left in the mountains (mining and isolation breads comunalism at times) area and strong for the right on the coasts

[lilTommy]

Yeah, I love the topographic map. More or less what I would have done as well.

Question about the political map: which parts of Vanaheimr are mining/ex-mining? (I'm presuming metal mining from the description, fwiw). Because if the (presumably sparsely population) western area is, then some justification for the strength of a e new left party with green associations would have to be thought up. Possibly you could make it old Communist territory and make it so that the remains of the old Communist Party (because there would have been one) folded into one of the predecessor parties of the Cooperative Party at some point. Though if that area is just remote and a little odd (perhaps still majority non-English speaking?) then there'd be no need for something as complicated.

Thats exactly the idea i was going for, I am looking at copper if that makes sense to everyone, mining and becoming a new base for the oil industry too... The Cooperatives are really this tent for the older, smaller left and green left in the country. Thats why they do best in the far west, more mountainous old commie base... and the closer to the coast you get the more the Social Democrats grow in strength and even Popular Movement.... details coming... soon

[lilTommy]

As you can see, a large majority of the population live in the Middling hundred. Which has been spelt incorrectly on the map, but, hey. No. It has two spellings. There. I said so, so it is.

Great map! look forward to hearing more about industries, history and all about Fellsands.

[lilTommy]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm feeling rather intimidated by the prettiness of the maps generated so far, and thus feel like any contribution on my part would be inferior to what has already been presented

Ilikeverin... i wouldn't worry about it at all! i thought the same thing too and i'm pretty happy how mine turned out and i had a blast making them... go crazy! i'm sure your maps will be great. What region are you working on?

Attention to all!! here is my thoughts on where Antilla lies in the North sea (yes now i'm map crazy)So its rather large, Almost the size of scotland, i think the location makes sense for the amount of Nordic influence as its in the middle of their historical shipping and colonizing (or raiding routes). And English/Scottish influence. Thoughts?

[lilTommy]

Nice job, one note:

1985-1988: Robert MacDougal (SPP-Cooperative)
1988-1996: James Houtsman (SPP-Cooperative)
 - i've made the Cooperatives a newer party then that, formed basically post-2000. BUT they were built by smaller left wing/green parties (merger between Greens, Agrarians, Socialist & Radical and Workers). So maybe this works as a substitute:

1985-1988: Robert MacDougal (SPP-Agrarian-Workers)
1988-1996: James Houtsman (SPP-Green-Agrarian)

[lilTommy]

Hope this works...Couple maps, let me know what you think of this topographic map:



Bronselands Counties, took teh advice and tried to anglo-them up some, but they are mostly old norse based names:



Bronseland Counties (black) and Councils (grey) and which party controls or is the largest party/ Then followed the Pitfarris example and made one which showed which is controlled by the left or right:

Another map, Bronseland has about 20% of the region as a whole who speak Nordansk, mostly in Vanaheimr and Sorland in the north, but pockets in the south and coast. Hvite Dalen in the west and Ashirhammer are heavy english speaking areas.

[lilTommy]

GO for it! I've been looking forward to seeing how the most heavily english of Antilla's region is going to turn out.

Also hoping to see some more details about Marksland and Fiskby, my Nordic-brothers-from-another-country so to speak

[lilTommy]

Alright, alright. Some of that is seriously cheap.

Fantastic Map! where would the main port be? are you working on a detailed description of the neighbouhoods/districts you listed for St. Marks?
OH and How is St. Marks governed? it said it was typically split between the different warpentahas (sp?)... does that mean the city is divided in how its goverend? which would be a very unique system indeed, could make for good battles and very distictive districts within one city. Or governed as a city united? 

[lilTommy]

The port would originally have been in Castle borough, but is now in Darside and Northcoates (it would have had to expand as the size of ships increased in the late twentieth century, though it might have done so earlier).

St Marks is governed by a two-tier system. Most local government functions are controlled by the City Council, but there are also be individual Borough Councils that control things like waste disposal and rates (property taxes).

The Wapentakes have no local government function anywhere; they're just historical regions that locals have a degree of attachment to.

Perfect!, i would have choosen Darside and Northcoates too since for some reason i always feel the east side of cities tend to be more industrial and working class.
Great, i made Kristiana similar, a city/county council and dividided into 4 Boroughs which have little power.
Warpentakes (thank you) again i think might be good national electoral districts, say minimum size of 50,000 people? So for The big 4 (Marksland, Lindsay, Bronseland and Pitfarris) you will have multiple electoral regions that would elect say 7 or 11 members each (might need to look again at those figures back a couple pages).
Thoughts?