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« Reply #150 on: January 09, 2012, 03:47:46 pm »

Apps: Rae would have to resign as interim by October latest if he wants to run. In which case Garneau would have to be interim. Is Carolyn Bennett's French OK? She'd be another good choice for interim if she wanted it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/outgoing-president-lays-out-road-map-for-rae-to-seek-liberal-crown/article2296324/
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« Reply #151 on: January 09, 2012, 11:09:32 pm »

This party is slowly being taken over by those who think Trudeau was a God.

I thought we had shaken that off in the 90's.

I think I'm going to be ill.
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« Reply #152 on: January 09, 2012, 11:23:48 pm »

Rae hails from that part of the Establishment, but he doesn't let it affect his political judgment. Tequila Sheila and LeBland... different story entirely. Anyways, let's not pantsh**t. All the president does is fundraise and preside over Board meetings.


PET as a god? Uhh, not for the past 4 decades.
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« Reply #153 on: January 10, 2012, 04:30:26 pm »

Apps: Rae would have to resign as interim by October latest if he wants to run. In which case Garneau would have to be interim. Is Carolyn Bennett's French OK? She'd be another good choice for interim if she wanted it.

I'm not sure if this quote still applies, but here's a French professor from the University of Ottawa on Bennett's French as it was in 2006 (when she briefly ran for the brass ring):

"But Knoerr saved her harshest judgement for another Toronto-based candidate, Carolyn Bennett. The Toronto MP had a poor grasp of both vocabulary and grammar. The professor said a francophone "would last about 15 seconds listening to her."-- CTV News
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« Reply #154 on: January 10, 2012, 04:43:45 pm »

So Garneau it is. Unless she would delegate all French questions to Coderre, Garneau or Trudeau.
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« Reply #155 on: January 10, 2012, 05:00:05 pm »

Also, can you PM me the rest of that article? I'd like to refresh myself on how bad Kennedy's and Brison's French was at the time.

Edit: Never mind. Found it. Brison's French is the same as Rae's and Harper's.
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« Reply #156 on: January 10, 2012, 05:32:59 pm »

Bilingualism chart of likely candidates, in alphabetical order. If anyone has recent info on Kennedy and McGuinty, please do tell.

Garneau: A+
Kennedy: D?
LeBland: A+
McGuinty: B?
Rae: B+
BW: F

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« Reply #157 on: January 11, 2012, 11:14:23 am »

Thankfully morons who think the Chretien crowd should run are in the fringe minority.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2012/01/10/liberals-best-calling-card-for-leader-is-rae-say-grits/29229?page_requested=1
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« Reply #158 on: January 11, 2012, 08:49:03 pm »

Does Rae's fiery campaign-style speech to caucus suggest a leadership run? Media seems to thinks so.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/01/11/pol-liberal-caucus.html

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/11/john-ivison-bob-rae-finding-liberal-leadership-ambition-hard-to-hide/#more-63504
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« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2012, 02:01:56 pm »

Raemania is now a meme.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1114184--bob-rae-talks-of-good-times-not-long-time-as-liberal-party-leader

http://www.thestar.com/article/1114234--walkom-how-bob-rae-has-kept-the-near-dead-liberal-party-alive

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/should-rae-have-his-day-as-liberal-leader/article2299826/

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201201/11/01-4484946-direction-du-plc-bob-rae-relance-les-rumeurs.php
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« Reply #160 on: January 12, 2012, 04:00:21 pm »

When do resident Grits expect this contest to formally kick off? I personally find it more interesting than the NDP one...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/01/12/bob-rae-liberal-leadership_n_1201246.html?ref=canada-politics
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« Reply #161 on: January 12, 2012, 08:07:41 pm »

Add Holland to the list.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/01/12/bob-rae-liberal-leadership_n_1201246.html?ref=canada
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« Reply #162 on: January 13, 2012, 12:31:37 pm »

Causes of the Quebec decline: lack of policy clarity, lack of leadership, Adscam. 2/3 are now fixed, only time can heal the third.

http://www.lactualite.com/politique/les-nouveaux-habits-du-plc
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« Reply #163 on: January 13, 2012, 10:46:15 pm »

McGuinty and Garneau are still considering bids.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/13/john-ivison-raes-lack-of-clarity-could-threaten-liberal-unity/

More Raemania.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1115457--hebert-the-liberals-search-for-a-leader-could-quickly-become-frantic-as-there-is-no-ready-made-alternative-to-bob-rae

http://www.canada.com/Maher%2BLiberal%2Bwheel%2Bmoving%2Bover/5993836/story.html
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« Reply #164 on: January 14, 2012, 03:54:49 pm »

David McGuinty: Get back to me in a few months.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/david-mcguinty-mulls-liberal-leadership-bid-at-convention/article2302861/
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« Reply #165 on: January 15, 2012, 03:22:49 pm »

President Crawley it is.
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« Reply #166 on: January 15, 2012, 08:46:51 pm »

I read in the paper today that David McGuinty would still run even if his brother, Dalton runs. That would awesome, it would be the Milliband battle all over again.
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« Reply #167 on: January 15, 2012, 08:53:57 pm »

In their case, David was clearly (as Lab is now painfully aware of) the best candidate. On this side of the pond, not so much. Why none of the pundits ever mention Gerard Kennedy mystifies me, since he clearly wants to run and IMO is the best candidate among the likelies.

If Rae doesn't get in, then Kennedy's strongest competitor is LeBland. I've never seen someone even try to make a case that he'd be a good leader. On paper yes, in practice absolutely not.

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« Reply #168 on: January 15, 2012, 10:51:46 pm »

LeBlanc can best be defined as "aloof", at least in person.
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« Reply #169 on: January 16, 2012, 12:44:41 pm »

Two others I saw mentioned: Martin Cauchon and Martha Hall Findlay. He's a discredited voice from the past, she lost her seat and is too inexperienced. (Though MHF has long been one of my favourite Grits)

LeBland: Totally agreed. Plus the guy's as awkward as Al Gore. There's this picture on the Net where he and Trudeau are walking through a Commons corridor, photographer shows up and next thing you know "spontaneous" hug when the picture's snapped. LeBlanc's face screams excessive, faux mirth, Trudeau smiling but his eyes say "rolleyes." If that's how he acts with his BFF, imagine transplanting that to the campaign trail. Makes the PM's sweater vests look good in comparison.

Most importantly, LeBland's a wimp like Ed Miliband. And that's why he can never be leader. Dion can tell you what the PM does to wimps.
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« Reply #170 on: January 16, 2012, 03:36:40 pm »

A la prochaine. Though to be fair, there's not much of substance to be said with his current portfolio. If Rae wants to help him out, give him Natural Resources, where he does deliver crystal-clear centrism.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/01/16/john-ivison-justin-needs-more-than-a-moustache-to-qualify-as-a-leader/

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201004/30/01-4276086-justin-trudeau-appuie-lexploitation-des-sables-bitumineux.php
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« Reply #171 on: January 16, 2012, 03:43:31 pm »

What we need in a leader is the intangibles. People often support or oppose a party and when you ask them why, even with specific questions, they say "I don't know" and that's the truth, they really do not know. It's the leader or party's ability to invoke an emotion. Trudeau evokes emotion, and thus, would be a good leader, because the emotions he evokes are positive. Compare this to Iggy and Dion, who evoked negative emotions.
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« Reply #172 on: January 16, 2012, 03:52:20 pm »

You need policy substance as well. Kennedy would also do well in Ontario and Quebec, plus generally gets positive reaction. Trudeau knows he needs more experience and has always said so since he arrived on the Hill. I agree with you that with time and experience, he'll be a good leader (with the electoral success that entails) but not now.
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« Reply #173 on: January 16, 2012, 07:40:39 pm »

Has anyone used the phrase "Yesterday's Baby" re Sheila Copps?
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« Reply #174 on: January 16, 2012, 07:47:09 pm »

Has anyone used the phrase "Yesterday's Baby" re Sheila Copps?

She's certainly a relic of the past who hasn't changed one iota from her Rat Pack days. (See her Hill Times article accusing Kenney, Moore and Baird of being closeted and Harper forcing them to remain closeted) But we call her Tequila Sheila.

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