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« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2011, 05:03:22 PM »

No Quebec candidates this time, though whoever wins will be at least functionally bilingual.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-born-leaders-give-federal-parties-a-significant-electoral-edge/article2267922/
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« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2011, 08:36:40 AM »

I'll believe that when I see it, given his very emphatic "a la prochaine" response to this question.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2011/12/15/lawrence-martin-trudeaus-stinkbomb-fits-the-cursed-times/
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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2011, 02:25:49 PM »

No, just no. Though I'll gladly exchange both MacKay and Prentice for Brison. Who at least is pushing the Grits where they need to be to regain those lost centrist/centre-right votes.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Michael+Tandt+Liberal+Party+leftward+drift+could+open+doors+Tories/5880258/story.html
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« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2011, 02:35:30 PM »

Teddy, how would your NDP ranking system grade Kennedy, LeBland and David McGuinty?
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« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2011, 04:13:23 PM »

The top 2 have already decided not to run.  Bilingualism aside, I would definitely rank Kennedy higher than LeBland. Reasons: experience, name ID, has a spine and personality.

Also, I'd put Trudeau down at B+ because he lacks the requisite experience. LeBland gets downgraded a notch, but for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

More on LeBland:

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/989874--hepburn-liberals-look-to-trudeau-and-leblanc
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« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2011, 07:19:01 PM »

Why hasn't Elections Canada called in the debt yet?

http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/339016/course-a-la-chefferie-en-2006-encore-des-dettes-chez-les-liberaux

Also, LOL at Dad as the keynoter.
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« Reply #56 on: December 25, 2011, 11:41:42 AM »

No. Just no.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201112/25/01-4480871-direction-du-plc-marc-garneau-ne-dit-pas-non.php
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« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2011, 02:05:29 PM »

Teddy, how does Garneau rate?
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« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2011, 03:58:20 PM »

On that we agree. Does anyone know much about LeBland other than what's in that Bob Hepburn op-ed I posted? Total unknown.
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« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2011, 05:08:17 PM »

I get Dion vibes from LeBland. Weak, indecisive, smart in a nonpolitical sense (the man is an HLS alumnus after all) no personality but even less of a spine. Plus being a total Chretien tool. Back in May, I read in the Globe that he'd been aggressively courting the Martin crowd to sand down his own uber-Chretienite image. Those people need to be ejected, not courted. Which is precisely Wrzesneysky's message.

However, I don't think Wrzesneysky can win. Too mavericky and unknown. Linguistic difficulties aside, I still see Kennedy as the best option.

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« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2011, 10:30:53 AM »

Garneau sounds awfully like a candidate. Who else occasionally gets a sinking feeling that once Tequila Sheila becomes president and repeals that leadership contest rule, Rae will jump in?

http://blogs.canada.com/2011/12/28/garneau-considers-stepping-into-the-ring/
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« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2011, 10:06:58 PM »

Rae doesn't rule out a run. I'm now changing my mind: he will run if the rules change. Who runs against him is another question. LeBlanc certainly not, BW probably, dunno about Kennedy.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rae-wont-rule-out-bid-for-permanent-liberal-leadership/article2287550/
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« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2011, 10:34:53 PM »

If Tequila Sheila wins the presidency then yep, Rae's running. So we'll know in 13 days from now. He has to convince delegates that his numbers won't tank once Harper's Permanent Campaign machine starts its Blitzkrieg. If he does, then the permanent leadership is his to lose.

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« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2012, 06:05:40 PM »

Could any of them realistically drag them back to second or even... government?

I think Rae, Kennedy or LeBlanc, with the right assistance from outside circumstances, certainly could regain OO. Government- not happening.
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« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2012, 10:49:25 PM »

Guys, if Rae runs, what happens to endorsements? Everyone knows that Rae likely wins if he runs, but on the other hand, there are personal obligations to other candidates...
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« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2012, 12:23:17 PM »

Copps gets a bunch of voices from the past- Axworthy, Campagnolo, Fox. Self-parodic, but maybe not so much given that the man she wants to replace had his national debut as a Turner co-chair in '84.

MacDonald thinks Rae is the best caucus member for permanent.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/look%2Binto%2Bcrystal%2Bball%2BLiberal%2Bleadership%2Braces/5942990/story.html
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« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2012, 11:33:48 AM »

Both leading presidential candidates would allow Rae to run, so moving him into the "Likely Yes" category.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/copps-and-crawley-take-the-lead-in-race-for-liberal-presidency/article2291944/
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« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2012, 11:26:09 PM »

Did anyone else hear about LeBland not running? Not that I expected him to run if Rae did...

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/2012+about+ideas+unless/5954506/story.html
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« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2012, 01:04:34 PM »

Hopefully Crawley wins, but I suspect Tequila Sheila will.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/2012/01/09/crawley-could-%E2%80%98fundamentally-modernize%E2%80%99-liberal-party-copps-seen-as-%E2%80%98storm/29197?page_requested=1
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« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2012, 01:27:18 PM »

The thing is, of those who are likely running Rae is second only to Kennedy. The other candidates lack skill and/or spine.

Rae's government: So toxic that people actively cited it as a reason not to vote NDP federally 16 years after Rae left Queen's Park. He should focus on a redemption narrative rather than defending the electorally indefensible.

Otherwise, I think a Rae-Kennedy-BW contest would be a vigorous and healthy one for the party.
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« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2012, 03:12:07 PM »

Recent polls show that the Grits are actually in second place in Ontario, usually in the low 30s. Whether that holds once Dippers pick a new leader and our own Permanent Campaign emerges from its current hibernatory state is debatable. Hence why Kennedy is their best choice.

The question is, who runs if Rae does? BW certainly does, Kennedy probably. I'm all but certain that LeBland, Garneau and (David) McGuinty wouldn't run.

Also quite sure that both of those I'd classify as "leaning no"- Brison and Coderre- won't run either. One because he's indispensable in his current role, the other because he's a useless loudmouth.
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« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2012, 03:47:46 PM »

Apps: Rae would have to resign as interim by October latest if he wants to run. In which case Garneau would have to be interim. Is Carolyn Bennett's French OK? She'd be another good choice for interim if she wanted it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/outgoing-president-lays-out-road-map-for-rae-to-seek-liberal-crown/article2296324/
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« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2012, 11:23:48 PM »

Rae hails from that part of the Establishment, but he doesn't let it affect his political judgment. Tequila Sheila and LeBland... different story entirely. Anyways, let's not pantsh**t. All the president does is fundraise and preside over Board meetings.


PET as a god? Uhh, not for the past 4 decades.
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« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2012, 04:43:45 PM »

So Garneau it is. Unless she would delegate all French questions to Coderre, Garneau or Trudeau.
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« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2012, 05:00:05 PM »
« Edited: January 10, 2012, 05:10:52 PM by RogueBeaver »

Also, can you PM me the rest of that article? I'd like to refresh myself on how bad Kennedy's and Brison's French was at the time.

Edit: Never mind. Found it. Brison's French is the same as Rae's and Harper's.
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