2008

[Tarazis]

If the Republicans get there canditate elected in 2008 and the states fall in the same way that they did in 2004. What do you think that those states that voted Democrat will feel like, or do, when you cosider that the "Democratic" states pay through federal taxes for the "Republican" states?

[A18]

If Democrats get their candidate in in 2008, what do you think Republicans will do given what their voters pay in federal taxes for the Democratic voters?

Income--

Under $15,000 (8%)
Bush  36%
Kerry  63%   

$15-30,000 (15%)
Bush  42%
Kerry  57%

$30-50,000 (22%)
Bush  49%
Kerry  50%

$50-75,000 (23%)
Bush  56%
Kerry  43%   

$75-100,000 (14%)
Bush  55%
Kerry  45%   

$100-150,000 (11%)
Bush  57%
Kerry  42%

$150-200,000 (4%)
Bush  58%
Kerry  42%

$200,000 or More (3%)
Bush  63%
Kerry  35%

[Tarazis]

"If Democrats get their candidate in in 2008, what do you think Republicans will do given what their voters pay in federal taxes for the Democratic voters?"

About your numbers, there is one think that i feel should be pointed out, there would not be the same number of people earning over $200,000 per annum as there would be for those who earn less than $15,000. So just because you earn alot of money dosen't make you right.

Also the question was about those states who voted for Kerry (Dem) and the ones who make a greater contrabution in tax to the federal government than the funds that the recive and those who went for Bush (Rep) are those who make less of a contrabution to the federal government than the funds they recive. so net contributers are funding those states that are, by the quirks of the election system, the ones that would be chosing a consirvate president.

[Erc]

If votes were proportional to the amount of tax you paid, Bush would have won 57-42 (or so).

[Tarazis]

"Each state contributes a certain number of electors to the electoral college, who vote according to the majority in their state. The candidate receiving a majority of the votes in the electoral college wins the election. The electoral votes are apportioned roughly according to states' populations, as measured by the census, but with a small but deliberate bias in favor of smaller states."

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

The top five states where the tax burden as a percent of income is the highest are:
New York (12.9%): kerry
Maine (12.3%): Kerry
Ohio (11.3%): Kerry
Hawaii (11.3%): Kerry
Rhode Island (11.1%): Kerry 

The five states with the lowest tax burden as a percent of income are:
Alaska (6.3%): Bush
New Hampshire (7.5%): Kerry
Delaware (8.2%): Kerry
Tennessee (8.5%): Bush
Texas (8.7%): Bush

The United States average is 10.0%.

http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

But the following would lead me to think that those who votred for Kerry are the states which would make the larger contrabution to the Federal Budget, and those who would pay the least would pay the least. And only through the quirk of the electoral college would get a slightly greater clouth and that would not generally be much of a problem if it were not so close.

what i would like to see is the actual numbers of those who voted for each candaite and there incomes. Coz I think that taking presentages without the actual numbers is quoting that data out of context.

i think that looking it at the following, would give a greater impression of which income brackets voted for which canditate.

Ave. Income (per state) for Bush           $28,333
Ave. Income (per state) for Kerry           $34,672

I've included the data that I used for the caluclations and I have sorted it from the state with the largest average income per person to the state with the lowest average income per person.

states                Income/ person($)  2004 vote
District of Columbia   48,342             Kerry
Connecticut            43,173                   Kerry
New Jersey            40,427             Kerry
Oregon                     39,815             Kerry
Maryland                     37,331             Kerry
New York                     36,574             Kerry
New Hampshire            34,702             Kerry
Minnesota                     34,443             Kerry
Colorado                     34,238             Bush
California                     33,749             Kerry
Virginia                     33,671             Bush
Illinois                     33,590             Kerry
Alaska                     33,568             Bush
Washington            33,332             Kerry
Delaware                     32,810             Kerry
Wyoming                     32,808             Bush
Pennsylvania            31,998             Kerry
Rhode Island            31,996             Kerry
Nevada                     31,266             Bush
Hawaii                     30,913             Kerry
Wisconsin                     30,898             Kerry
Nebraska                     30,758             Bush
Vermont                     30,740             Kerry
Florida                     30,446             Bush
Michigan                     30,439             Kerry
Ohio                              29,944             Bush
Kansas                     29,935             Bush
Georgia                     29,442             Bush
Massachusetts            29,340             Kerry
South Dakota            29,234             Bush
North Dakota            29,204             Bush
Iowa                              29,043             Bush
Maine                     28,831             Kerry
Indiana                     28,783             Bush
Tennessee                     28,455             Bush
Texas                     28,372             Bush
Missouri                     28,252             Bush
North Carolina            28,235             Bush
Arizona                     26,838             Bush
Oklahoma                     26,656             Bush
Alabama                     26,338             Bush
Kentucky                     26,252             Bush
South Carolina            26,132             Bush
Louisiana                     26,100             Bush
Montana                     25,920             Bush
Idaho                     25,811             Bush
New Mexico            25,541             Bush
Utah                              24,977             Bush
West Virginia            24,379             Bush
Arkansas                     24,289             Bush
Mississippi                     23,448             Bush

[A18]

Bush voters in Kerry states subsidize Bush states.

Ten people live in a state. One's a billionare, nine are poor. The state goes 9-1 for Kerry. The poor pay 10% in taxes, the rich guy is taxed 50%.

The tax burden in the state will average out to being very high. That doesn't mean the 9 people are carrying the tax burden.

It's Bush voters in New York paying the tax burden. And Ohio went for Bush, so I don't know what your data is talking about.

Here it is, plain and simple:

Income--

Under $15,000 (8%)
Bush  36%
Kerry  63%   

$15-30,000 (15%)
Bush  42%
Kerry  57%

$30-50,000 (22%)
Bush  49%
Kerry  50%

$50-75,000 (23%)
Bush  56%
Kerry  43%   

$75-100,000 (14%)
Bush  55%
Kerry  45%   

$100-150,000 (11%)
Bush  57%
Kerry  42%

$150-200,000 (4%)
Bush  58%
Kerry  42%

$200,000 or More (3%)
Bush  63%

[Alcon]

This just in: The rich vote Republican and pay higher taxes.

[A18]

I'm just pointing out how asinine it is to whine about Kerry states getting less back from the federal government than they pay when you know full well it's mostly Republicans in those Kerry states who are getting screwed.

[Alcon]

I'm just pointing out how asinine it is to whine about Kerry states getting less back from the federal government than they pay when you know full well it's mostly Republicans in those Kerry states who are getting screwed.

However, your statistics are not really related to that since they are not for the state of New York. Also, exit polling frequently just sucks. I would not be surprised if those who overstate their income would be more likely to vote Republican (this is not at all an insult against Republicans - however, I would assume those who desire more money enough to overstate their income to a pollster would be more likely to be an anti-tax Republican.) Besides, in New York, I wouldn't be surprised if New York City would make these results the opposite of what they are. I know in Washington State, the rich are more likely to be Democrats (the very rich more Republican, and the super-rich mixed.) The middle class votes fairly Democratically, while the lower middle class and working class are Republican-leaning.

Obviously, this is because of Seattle.

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I'm just pointing out how asinine it is to whine about Kerry states getting less back from the federal government than they pay when you know full well it's mostly Republicans in those Kerry states who are getting screwed.

Republicans tend to be in larger families. Small families get taxed more with the same income.

[??????????]

The historical irony with this current situation I just find hilarious.

[A18]

The historical irony with this current situation I just find hilarious.

What do you mean?

[??????????]

The historical irony with this current situation I just find hilarious.

What do you mean?

Well, before the civil war the exact opposite of this situation was true. The South was paying huge amounts in taxes and much of that tax money was going to New England and New England was using the tax money to build up their own infrastructure and this is one of the big complaints southern politicians had and was one of the reasons behind secession.

[stry_cat]

If the Republicans get there canditate elected in 2008 and the states fall in the same way that they did in 2004. What do you think that those states that voted Democrat will feel like, or do, when you cosider that the "Democratic" states pay through federal taxes for the "Republican" states?

I'm amused that the Yankee states are finally starting to understand the Souther position on Federalism and States Rights. Hopefully this will teach them a lesson that an overly powerful national government (or really any government) is only good if you're the one who controls it and that smaller government is the only real solution.

[??????????]

If the Republicans get there canditate elected in 2008 and the states fall in the same way that they did in 2004. What do you think that those states that voted Democrat will feel like, or do, when you cosider that the "Democratic" states pay through federal taxes for the "Republican" states?

I'm amused that the Yankee states are finally starting to understand the Souther position on Federalism and States Rights. Hopefully this will teach them a lesson that an overly powerful national government (or really any government) is only good if you're the one who controls it and that smaller government is the only real solution.

This proves one thing.

God has a sense of humor for sure.