PPP TX: Obama Leads Perry

[HST1948]

2012 Presidential Election in Texas:

Obama 44%   Bachmann  47%
Obama 43%   Cain           43%
Obama 46%   Palin           44%
Obama 43%   Pawlenty    44%
Oabma 42%   Romney      50%
Oabma 40%   Paul            45%
Obama 47%   Perry          45%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_629513.pdf

[Keystone Phil]

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

[King]

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Have you ever visited Texas? No? Okay then.

[Heimdal]

I think everybody knew that Obama would be a stronger candidate than most of the Democrats Perry has defeated, but these are really bad numbers for him. Even the "RINO" Romney outperforms him in his homestate.

[Keystone Phil]

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Have you ever visited Texas? No? Okay then.

You're right. Because I've never visited Texas, I should just accept the fact that Tim Pawlenty is only leading Obama by one point in Texas.

[King]

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Have you ever visited Texas? No? Okay then.

You're right. Because I've never visited Texas, I should just accept the fact that Tim Pawlenty is only leading Obama by one point in Texas.

Yes, you should.  In fact, you should accept any poll that shows Tim Pawlenty struggling against Obama because:

(1) Half of Americans don't know who he is
(2) The half who does give him -10 to -15 favorability because listening to T-Paw for five minutes informs you that he is a candy ass loser.

Most of these undecided voters will likely break 4 to 1 for the GOP candidate and that means a win for that candidate.  EXCEPT Rick Perry and Sarah Palin, who will both lose Texas.  Count on it.

[Lief 🗽]

Pawlenty has terrible numbers everywhere. He's proven himself to be a miserable joke of a candidate.

And PPP was one of the most accurate pollsters in 2010 and 2008.

[DrScholl]

Perry is toxic, that's nothing new. It's beyond silly to accuse PPP of bias every time a Republican is behind. I mean, Obama's number isn't even that high above what he got in 2008, if they really wanted to pull something, they'd push him over 50%. The only outfit with manipulated polls is a right-wing one.

[Badger]

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Have you ever visited Texas? No? Okay then.

You're right. Because I've never visited Texas, I should just accept the fact that Tim Pawlenty is only leading Obama by one point in Texas.

OR, instead if engaging in histrionics, maybe instead you could instead simply note: a) a 2008 vote sample of 51 McCain, 42 Obama, 7 don't remember/someone else is probably a slightly pro-Dem sample; and b) A Republican governor who got re-elected in 2010 Texas with only 55%, and reelected with 39% 4 years earlier, isn't much liked in his state.

Oh, and regarding Pawlenty:

Yes, you should.  In fact, you should accept any poll that shows Tim Pawlenty struggling against Obama because:

(1) Half of Americans don't know who he is
(2) The half who does give him -10 to -15 favorability because listening to T-Paw for five minutes informs you that he is a candy ass loser.

Most of these undecided voters will likely break 4 to 1 for the GOP candidate and that means a win for that candidate.  EXCEPT Rick Perry and Sarah Palin, who will both lose Texas.  Count on it.

[Keystone Phil]

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Have you ever visited Texas? No? Okay then.

You're right. Because I've never visited Texas, I should just accept the fact that Tim Pawlenty is only leading Obama by one point in Texas.

Yes, you should.  In fact, you should accept any poll that shows Tim Pawlenty struggling against Obama because:

(1) Half of Americans don't know who he is
(2) The half who does give him -10 to -15 favorability because listening to T-Paw for five minutes informs you that he is a candy ass loser.

Most of these undecided voters will likely break 4 to 1 for the GOP candidate and that means a win for that candidate.  EXCEPT Rick Perry and Sarah Palin, who will both lose Texas.  Count on it.

There are certain places where a shopping cart would poll better than 44% to 43% against Obama. Texas is one of them.

This idea that Perry wouldn't win the state against Obama is just laughable. As unpopular as he might be, the guy still managed to get to 55% of the vote last year. He wouldn't lose the state in a Presidential election year.

It's beyond silly to accuse PPP of bias every time a Republican is behind.

Well, good thing I didn't do that.

[Badger]

It's beyond silly to accuse PPP of bias every time a Republican is behind.

Well, good thing I didn't do that.

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Yes, Phil, I suppose its true you never actually used the word "bias".

[Keystone Phil]

b) A Republican governor who got re-elected in 2010 Texas with only 55%, and reelected with 39% 4 years earlier, isn't much liked in his state.

39% in a four way race isn't horrible especially in a not-so-great year for Republicans. And since Bill White was supposed to be a Democratic savior by Texas standards, the supposedly wildly unpopular Perry getting re-elected with 55% to become the state's longest serving Governor isn't so bad either.

[DrScholl]

Well, good thing I didn't do that.

The collective Republican thing to do here is bash PPP polls, despite accuracy. Your post seemed to do that, no matter how you spin it now with semantics games.

[Keystone Phil]

It's beyond silly to accuse PPP of bias every time a Republican is behind.

Well, good thing I didn't do that.

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

Yes, Phil, I suppose its true you never actually used the word "bias".

Badger, if you want to argue with me, have some facts lined up. I was suggesting that it was a bad poll. Stop whining that I accused the poll of being biased.

[Keystone Phil]

Well, good thing I didn't do that.

The collective Republican thing to do here is bash PPP polls, despite accuracy. Your post seemed to do that, no matter how you spin it now with semantics games.

I never accused it of bias and for you people to think so highly of yourselves to suggest that I have to spin is laughable.

I was saying that this poll is a bad poll. End of story.

[Badger]

b) A Republican governor who got re-elected in 2010 Texas with only 55%, and reelected with 39% 4 years earlier, isn't much liked in his state.

39% in a four way race isn't horrible especially in a not-so-great year for Republicans. And since Bill White was supposed to be a Democratic savior by Texas standards, the supposedly wildly unpopular Perry getting re-elected with 55% to become the state's longest serving Governor isn't so bad either.

39% "isn't horrible"? The fact that 61% of voters chose someone other than Perry the incumbent reflects what? He barely got a majority in this year's GOP primary after Hutchison ran a rather disasterous campaign. By those standards Arlen Specter was still "widely respected" in PA for even coming close.

55% "isn't so bad either"?

Republican. Incumbent. Texas. 2010.

[King]

This idea that Perry wouldn't win the state against Obama is just laughable. As unpopular as he might be, the guy still managed to get to 55% of the vote last year. He wouldn't lose the state in a Presidential election year.

An election two years ago is an election two years ago.  Bush would not have won a lot of states in 2006 that he won with ease in 2004.

Rick Perry becomes more unpopular by the day in the Lone Star State.  Him walking out on the governorship (but likely not resigning, because that's the kind of person he is) to become a buffoon on the national stage will only seal his fate.  Only 33% of Texans think he should run and that will be his approval rating as Governor during any Presidential campaign in 2012.

[HST1948]

I don't know why there is such a T-Paw buzz and why people are surprised when he isn't doing that well in polls.  He was a plurality governor who only got reelected because his opponent called a reporter a "Republican Whore" three days before the election. In addition he is not that popular in his home state and puts people to sleep when he speaks.  I will concede it is slightly impressive that he was a Republican that won the governorship in a Blue State.

[Badger]

I was saying that this poll is a bad poll. End of story.

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ect-kgxBb4M

[DrScholl]

I never accused it of bias and for you people to think so highly of yourselves to suggest that I have to spin is laughable.

I was saying that this poll is a bad poll. End of story.

Yes, whatever you say.

[Keystone Phil]

39% "isn't horrible"? The fact that 61% of voters chose someone other than Perry the incumbent reflects what?

In a terrible year in a four person race and when you're supposedly very unpopular, it isn't horrible. I'm sorry that I have to explain this to someone who supposedly knows something about politics. But, of course, you'll go on to tell me that 57% of voters choosing someone other than Bill Clinton in 1992 wasn't a poor showing and 51% of voters choosing someone other than Bill Clinton the incumbent during pretty good times was phenomenal!

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What? That Specter comparison doesn't even make sense. Do me a favor and stick to points that make some sense, Badger. I would never say that either of them is "widely respected" across the state based on primary results because they are...well...primary results.

I don't think you grasp that getting a majority - even if it's a bare majority - in a more than two person race is respectable.

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Again, for someone that is so unpopular, 55% is not so bad.

[Keystone Phil]

I was saying that this poll is a bad poll. End of story.

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ect-kgxBb4M

Please explain to me how the one isn't like the other. I asked if it would be in toilet paper soon. Please prove to me how that means I suggested a bias instead of saying it was just a bad poll.

[Keystone Phil]

Hey man, let's keep things civil. No need to start pulling the 's out.

He really doesn't have a point to make so he needs to get as hostile as possible. He thought I was complaining that PPP was biased. I corrected him and said that I thought this was a bad poll. He couldn't accept that so he'll go on arguing that I believe something that I don't.

[Badger]

I was saying that this poll is a bad poll. End of story.

Can we get PPP in toilet paper form soon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ect-kgxBb4M

Please explain to me how the one isn't like the other. I asked if it would be in toilet paper soon. Please prove to me how that means I suggested a bias instead of saying it was just a bad poll.

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[King]

Looking at the last poll from PPP on TX Governor, which had Perry winning a fairly MOE accurate 53-44, White was likely hurt by Obama's toxic 33-61 Approval rating; not to mention his garbage excuse of a campaign. And Perry actually wasn't particularly unpopular by November 2010 (45% disapproval, which works for the incumbent).  Perry's unpopularity is now well above 50% while Obama is trending in the other direction.