El Paso vs. Ciudad Juárez

[Tender Branson]

2 statistics:

2010 population in El Paso, TX: 649.000
2010 homicides in El Paso, TX: 5
2010 homicide rate in El Paso, TX: 0.8 per 100.000 people

2010 population in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 1.321.000
2010 homicides in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 3.100
2010 homicide rate in Ciudad Juárez, MX: 234.7 per 100.000 people

Discuss.

[MaxQue]

Well, Ciudad Juárez is in the middle of a war between druglords and government.
I'm sure than that homicide rate is normal for a place experiencing a civil war.

[Tender Branson]

Well, Ciudad Juárez is in the middle of a war between druglords and government.
I'm sure than that homicide rate is normal for a place experiencing a civil war.

But isn't it strange that there's no "spillover" from Ciudad Juárez to El Paso ?

El Paso has a homicide rate that is about the European average or even lower and almost 10 times lower than the average rate in a US city with comparable size ...

Does anyone who knows the area can tell us if there are tough border controls between the cities incl. walls and fences with video surveillance ?

[Хahar 🤔]

Note that El Paso's size is mainly a result of its large geographic area. The actual metropolitan area is not that large.

[Brittain33]

NYT Magazine did a story on exactly this subject within the last few weeks. Check it out.

[minionofmidas]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

[MaxQue]

Well, Ciudad Juárez is in the middle of a war between druglords and government.
I'm sure than that homicide rate is normal for a place experiencing a civil war.

But isn't it strange that there's no "spillover" from Ciudad Juárez to El Paso ?

Druglords aren't crazy, they know than if things went crazy in El Paso, the Americans would start to care, which would make more difficult to buy weapons.

[memphis]

Wow. Didn't know el paso's murder rate was so crazy low. That's amazing. But yeah, like others said, more of a neighborhood thing. You could cut a lot of metros up and get contrasting murder rates. Of course, most metros aren't ground zero for the drug war either.

[MaxQue]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

Is there that much of a difference?

If I learned Spanish from a Spaniard would I sound as weird to a Mexican as British people do to me?

Well, the "z" letter is pronounced differently, among other differences.
If I remember well, the Peninsular Spanish pronounces the z "th" and the Latin America Spanish pronounces "s", roughly.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

Is there that much of a difference?

If I learned Spanish from a Spaniard would I sound as weird to a Mexican as British people do to me?

Yes, absolutely.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

Ciudad
See You Dad

Juárez
wha-rez

No good. I'd still sound like a mocking racist.

[danny]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

Ciudad
See You Dad

Juárez
wha-rez

wouldn't the J' be like the ch in the Scottish word "loch"?

[J. J.]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

Ciudad
See You Dad

Juárez
wha-rez

wouldn't the J' be like the ch in the Scottish word "loch"?

No, it is like a "W."  Juan sounds close to "one," but more like "wand" without the "d."  There was a joke a former pope being called "Juan, two three," in Spanish.  (John XXIII)

[Edu]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

If I learned Spanish from a Spaniard would I sound as weird to a Mexican as British people do to me?

Yeah, I have a hard time understanding spanish from Spain most of the times, plus it sounds ridiculous to me
I sometimes don't understand Mexican Spanish either especially if they talk too fast.
Hell, it's even weird for me to hear the Chilean Accent which I also find a bit ridiculous.

Uruguay is obviously closer to Argentina in the way they speak, but even they abuse the "Tu" instead of "Vos".

Oh, who am I kidding? I'm even annoyed by the bunch of different accents we have in my own friggin country. I'm just confortable with "Porteño" spanish

No, it is like a "W."  Juan sounds close to "one," but more like "wand" without the "d."  There was a joke a former pope being called "Juan, two three," in Spanish.  (John XXIII)

Don't know about Mexico, but I never heard anyone pronounce Juan as "wand" without the d.

[Link]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

If I learned Spanish from a Spaniard would I sound as weird to a Mexican as British people do to me?

Yeah, I have a hard time understanding spanish from Spain most of the times, plus it sounds ridiculous to me

That is fascinating.  So if I learned Spain Spanish would I sound like a pompous jerk to people from Latin America?  That might make it worthwhile.

I find a lot of people in my native US hard to understand, but that's mostly because they are not very well educated.

[Edu]

That is fascinating.  So if I learned Spain Spanish would I sound like a pompous jerk to people from Latin America?  That might make it worthwhile.

I find a lot of people in my native US hard to understand, but that's mostly because they are not very well educated.

Nope, you would just sound like a Spaniard. or in your case an american trying to talk like a spaniard

There are different accents between spanish speaking countries, nowadays it has little to do with education.

[Хahar 🤔]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

A Spaniard would get strange looks if he pronounced it Thiudad Khwareth in Mexico.

[minionofmidas]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

Ciudad
See You Dad

Juárez
wha-rez

wouldn't the J' be like the ch in the Scottish word "loch"?

No, it is like a "W."  Juan sounds close to "one," but more like "wand" without the "d."  There was a joke a former pope being called "Juan, two three," in Spanish.  (John XXIII)

It's exactly like Danny said but Americans have learned a long time ago that you can get in Mexico by pronouncing it exactly like JJ said.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Pasoans (or whatever is the English now that Pachucos means something else) do their killing and getting killed south of the border. Though they procure the guns north of it.

Makes sense. All I know is that I should never, ever attempt to pronounce 'Ciudad Juárez'.

.. Especially if you decided to try in Peninsular Spanish.

A Spaniard would get strange looks if he pronounced it Thiudad Khwareth in Mexico.

Yeah, I know. I just felt like pointing that out. Furthermore in Madrid and Castilla y Leon it is common to lisp the final 'd' in -idad words so that it sounds like 'z' or the 'c' before 'e' and 'i'. So it would be "THEE-ew-dath Khwar-reth".