SENATE BILL: Empowering Regions in Elections Amendment (Failed)
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« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2011, 10:49:37 AM »
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Status: Senators, a vote is now open on this amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #76 on: August 19, 2011, 10:50:25 AM »
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« Reply #77 on: August 19, 2011, 01:57:03 PM »
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« Reply #78 on: August 19, 2011, 02:35:43 PM »
I would like to see us consider adopting regionally-based districts to equalize the populations a bit. I say regionally-based because although this seems like common sense if we're using districts, certain folks *cough VERIN cough* had a fetish for making the most bizarre maps possible.

I'm not sure I'll introduce it here, though. It seems like something that should be a different proposal. Especially since it has nothing to do with 'empowering' regions.
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« Reply #79 on: August 19, 2011, 04:37:54 PM »
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« Reply #80 on: August 19, 2011, 05:27:19 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: August 19, 2011, 07:55:11 PM »
Abstain. I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, I want to give regions the power to do what they wish with Presidential elections. However, I worry if we put into place some electoral college, people will find ways to manipulate it. It would make for more interesting elections though..
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« Reply #82 on: August 19, 2011, 07:57:41 PM »
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Abstain. I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, I want to give regions the power to do what they wish with Presidential elections. However, I worry if we put into place some electoral college, people will find ways to manipulate it. It would make for more interesting elections though..

Actually this amendment will hold the vote to federal standards, this is just for ballot simplicity and helping urn out in regions while giving them more power in electing their senators.
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« Reply #83 on: August 19, 2011, 07:58:22 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: August 19, 2011, 08:01:10 PM »
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Quote from: Senator Duke on August 19, 2011, 07:55:11 PM
Abstain. I'm really torn on this. On the one hand, I want to give regions the power to do what they wish with Presidential elections. However, I worry if we put into place some electoral college, people will find ways to manipulate it. It would make for more interesting elections though..

Actually this amendment will hold the vote to federal standards, this is just for ballot simplicity and helping urn out in regions while giving them more power in electing their senators.

Oh, I know. I just figured an electoral college would be the next step in this process. I'll sit on this for a minute and see if I decide to change my mind. I won't vote this amendment down whichever way I go.
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« Reply #85 on: August 19, 2011, 08:04:14 PM »
As I said before, there is no ballot simplicity here. And even if for the sake of argument, there is, it comes at the cost of creating extra complication elsewhere. As a step to creating an electoral college system, it's fine, but as a way to elect a President through national popular vote, it is needless make-work.
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« Reply #86 on: August 19, 2011, 08:55:36 PM »
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« Reply #87 on: August 19, 2011, 09:08:54 PM »
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As I said before, there is no ballot simplicity here. And even if for the sake of argument, there is, it comes at the cost of creating extra complication elsewhere. As a step to creating an electoral college system, it's fine, but as a way to elect a President through national popular vote, it is needless make-work.

It..isn't really hard to add five numbers every four months. Even for the disabled.
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« Reply #88 on: August 19, 2011, 10:40:51 PM »
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« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2011, 06:03:13 AM »
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I'm leaning toward opposing this bill, anyways.
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« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2011, 07:08:54 AM »
The amount of abstentions is just getting silly, now.
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« Reply #91 on: August 21, 2011, 01:07:02 PM »
Current Status:

Aye (2): Napoleon and Snowguy 
Nay (3): Jbrase, NC Yankee and shua
Abstain (4): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah and Fuzzybigfoot

Didn't (1): Officepark 

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« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2011, 07:19:36 PM »
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« Reply #93 on: August 24, 2011, 06:07:00 AM »
I honestly don' t know how to vote. I don't like to abstain, but I need more information on the two proposals to make a conscious choice.
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« Reply #94 on: August 24, 2011, 12:16:50 PM »
Vote on Amendment 44:32:

Aye (2): Napoleon and Snowguy 
Nay (3): Jbrase, NC Yankee and shua
Abstain (4): AHDuke99, Antonio V, bgwah and Fuzzybigfoot

Didn't (1): Officepark 

With three Nays, two ayes and 4 abstentions at the expiration of time (10:49 am), the amendment has failed and debate shall proceed.

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« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2011, 01:32:58 PM »
Is there anything more here, or is it final vote time?
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« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2011, 01:38:22 PM »
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« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2011, 02:23:53 PM »
I am preparing a report about this amendment. It may be up tonight. It may take two days.
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« Reply #98 on: August 25, 2011, 02:27:32 PM »
Any way the vote could be stalled until this report is published? If not, I'd encourage Senator's to wait for it before voting, unless their mind is completely made up. Even though I'm not a Senator, I will say I'm still not completely convinced on a bill that would really shake things up, and would like to see this report before I personally made a decision.
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« Reply #99 on: August 27, 2011, 08:11:50 AM »
Make that a Sunday. Emergency absence.
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