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« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2004, 10:38:36 pm »

Absolutely, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands shuold be made into the state of Puerto Rico.
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« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2004, 10:50:28 pm »

BS.  I believe PR has a democratic "governor."  It will go dem because it is poor and the people are extremely liberal on issues like abortion and gun control.  

No, it doesn't have a Democratic governor because there aren't Democrats and Republicans there. And the people there are not extremely liberal on issues like gun control and abortion. Have you ever been there? I practically lived there for a time when my uncle was stationed on the island. They are about as socially liberal as Idaho.

Really, that's funny, why is she a member of the National Democratic Party then?  

http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n22/Poll0622-en.shtml

Yes I have been to Puerto Rico, twice...  If they aren't liberal on social issues, why is the major opposition party to the democrats in Puerto Rico the Progressive Party?

excerpt: "Calderon is pro-choice, as was her predecessor. While local anti-abortion groups and religious conservatives, Roman Catholics and Pentecostals, are vocal, Puerto Rico does not have a significant anti-abortion movement."

http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/caab/articles/vieques29.htm
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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2004, 10:59:41 pm »

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BS.  I believe PR has a democratic "governor."  It will go dem because it is poor and the people are extremely liberal on issues like abortion and gun control.  

Abortion? Puerto Rico is definately liberal on a lot of issues, but I doubt that's one of them.

If it's not liberal on abortion, how come women used to flock to Puerto Rico to get abortions done?

A lot of people get abortions because they don't know enough about it. Though abortion is very legal and very high in Puerto Rico, only a certain percentage of women have abortions. Contraceptives arn't used as much in Puerto Rico, so abortions are used for birth control. In a study done by TGI Puerto Rico, 57% of Puerto Ricans somewhat or completely agree with the statement that "I am more pro-life than pro-choice". Only 7% somewhat or completely disagreed. So obviously Puerto Rico is not that liberal on the issue.
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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2004, 11:03:08 pm »

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BS.  I believe PR has a democratic "governor."  It will go dem because it is poor and the people are extremely liberal on issues like abortion and gun control.  

Abortion? Puerto Rico is definately liberal on a lot of issues, but I doubt that's one of them.

If it's not liberal on abortion, how come women used to flock to Puerto Rico to get abortions done?

A lot of people get abortions because they don't know enough about it. Though abortion is very legal and very high in Puerto Rico, only a certain percentage of women have abortions. Contraceptives arn't used as much in Puerto Rico, so abortions are used for birth control. In a study done by TGI Puerto Rico, 57% of Puerto Ricans somewhat or completely agree with the statement that "I am more pro-life than pro-choice". Only 7% somewhat or completely disagreed. So obviously Puerto Rico is not that liberal on the issue.

Did you read the info from the link above...  I think this is rubbish...  if Puerto Ricans were so pro-life you'd have at least one party running on that platform...  There is zero pro-life movement in Puerto Rico other than some churches saying it's wrong to get an abortion... so what, some churches say it's wrong to masturbate...  If you took a poll, 99% of people would say it's wrong to cheat on your wife, yet 50% of people do.

And the point I was trying to make was that people went down to Puerto Rico to get abortions because it was done there when it was taboo up here.
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« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2004, 11:08:28 pm »

Source-Women's News... lol... what a farse.

I never said that the Puerto Ricans were ardent pro-lifers, but you seem to be implying they are ardent pro-choicers, which is simply not the case.
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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2004, 11:10:19 pm »

Source-Women's News... lol... what a farse.

I never said that the Puerto Ricans were ardent pro-lifers, but you seem to be implying they are ardent pro-choicers, which is simply not the case.

No, I was implying they are more pro-choice than America as a whole, which is definitely the case.  They are not as pro-choice as Europeans but their politics is to the left of the United States on this issue.
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2004, 11:11:39 pm »

29% does not equal "most of the population". As I've already shown from several GALLUP polls, 70% of Americans are pro-life in 95% of the cases it's done.
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2004, 11:16:09 pm »

29% does not equal "most of the population". As I've already shown from several GALLUP polls, 70% of Americans are pro-life in 95% of the cases it's done.

Ahah!  If that's the case then write your congressman today (The Republicans do control Congress you know) and ask them to support a bill illegalizing 95% of abortions...  lets see how far that gets.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2004, 11:16:42 pm »

Hell 70% is even more than people who are against gay marriage...  maybe they can even come up with a constitutional amendment for abortions!
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2004, 11:25:24 pm »

I don't think you realize how long it takes to do that. It took Roe several years before the law was passed (and by the way, the "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade is now pro-life and Catholic). Further, not all of the seante is pro-life. About 85% of the republicans and 4% of the democrats vote pro-life. In the house it's more, with 81% of republicans and 21% of democrats voting pro-life.
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« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2004, 12:08:13 am »

I don't think you realize how long it takes to do that. It took Roe several years before the law was passed (and by the way, the "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade is now pro-life and Catholic). Further, not all of the seante is pro-life. About 85% of the republicans and 4% of the democrats vote pro-life. In the house it's more, with 81% of republicans and 21% of democrats voting pro-life.

How convenient of her...  she got her abortion and now she's pro-life...  she should have the decency to allow other women to make the choice she was able to make...  I don't respect scumbag hypocrites like her.
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2004, 01:27:57 am »

While Roe is certainly a hypocrite, I thought she actually was unable to get an abortion before the case was decided.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2004, 10:10:30 am »

CTguy,

Puerto Rican politics is completely different and seperate from mainland politics and parties.  The U.S. Democratic and Republican parties maintain entities in Puerto Rico for the purpose of apportioning delegates and having a presence there but that is just about it.

The two major parties are the Popular Democratic Party, the island's center-left party, and the New Progressive Party, the center-right party.  Most PDP (PPD) Members would identify with the U.S. Democratic Party while NPP (PNP) members are more split.  The only case where a Puerto Rican really has to identify with a national party is in the case of the delegate to Congress.  Current PNP nominee Luis Fortuno is also the Republican National Committeeman for Puerto Rico, while PPD nominee Roberto Prats is the PR Democratic Party Chairman.

While New Progressive members are split on their loyalties, I'd suspect that it would quickly fold into the GOP should statehood arise.  It is the pro-statehood party, so if they thought being even more Republican would help, they would probably arrange for that to occur Smiley  The PPD would fit the Democrats like a glove.

BS.  I believe PR has a democratic "governor."  It will go dem because it is poor and the people are extremely liberal on issues like abortion and gun control.  

No, it doesn't have a Democratic governor because there aren't Democrats and Republicans there. And the people there are not extremely liberal on issues like gun control and abortion. Have you ever been there? I practically lived there for a time when my uncle was stationed on the island. They are about as socially liberal as Idaho.

Really, that's funny, why is she a member of the National Democratic Party then?  

http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n22/Poll0622-en.shtml

Yes I have been to Puerto Rico, twice...  If they aren't liberal on social issues, why is the major opposition party to the democrats in Puerto Rico the Progressive Party?

excerpt: "Calderon is pro-choice, as was her predecessor. While local anti-abortion groups and religious conservatives, Roman Catholics and Pentecostals, are vocal, Puerto Rico does not have a significant anti-abortion movement."

http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/caab/articles/vieques29.htm
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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2004, 10:18:06 am »

I don't think you realize how long it takes to do that. It took Roe several years before the law was passed (and by the way, the "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade is now pro-life and Catholic). Further, not all of the seante is pro-life. About 85% of the republicans and 4% of the democrats vote pro-life. In the house it's more, with 81% of republicans and 21% of democrats voting pro-life.

How convenient of her...  she got her abortion and now she's pro-life...  she should have the decency to allow other women to make the choice she was able to make...  I don't respect scumbag hypocrites like her.

Hypocrite? Becuase she converted? Gore used to be pro-life, anti-gay, and very conservative... is he a hypocrite too? Come on. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a hypocrite and radical christian fundamentalist, it seems.
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« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2004, 10:22:08 am »

I don't think you realize how long it takes to do that. It took Roe several years before the law was passed (and by the way, the "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade is now pro-life and Catholic). Further, not all of the seante is pro-life. About 85% of the republicans and 4% of the democrats vote pro-life. In the house it's more, with 81% of republicans and 21% of democrats voting pro-life.

How convenient of her...  she got her abortion and now she's pro-life...  she should have the decency to allow other women to make the choice she was able to make...  I don't respect scumbag hypocrites like her.

Hypocrite? Becuase she converted? Gore used to be pro-life, anti-gay, and very conservative... is he a hypocrite too? Come on. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a hypocrite and radical christian fundamentalist, it seems.
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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2004, 12:47:54 pm »

I don't think you realize how long it takes to do that. It took Roe several years before the law was passed (and by the way, the "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade is now pro-life and Catholic). Further, not all of the seante is pro-life. About 85% of the republicans and 4% of the democrats vote pro-life. In the house it's more, with 81% of republicans and 21% of democrats voting pro-life.

How convenient of her...  she got her abortion and now she's pro-life...  she should have the decency to allow other women to make the choice she was able to make...  I don't respect scumbag hypocrites like her.

Hypocrite? Becuase she converted? Gore used to be pro-life, anti-gay, and very conservative... is he a hypocrite too? Come on. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a hypocrite and radical christian fundamentalist, it seems.
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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2004, 01:25:44 pm »

We have to be... otherwise we'd end up with the political diversity of Sweden Smiley

I support PR statehood as I believe that it would actually be quite competitive politically, unlike DC.  The PNP would eventually fold into the GOP and the PPD with the Democrats and you'd probably see either a 50-50 split or perhaps a slight Democratic advantage.  I could see the language barrier becoming a huge issue though.

You support it BECAUSE it would be competitive? You Americans really are cynical when it comes to politics...

Ouch... Sad It's true though that due to the relative honesty of our politicians we have been kind of naive in the past... Sad

We don't really have those electoral problems though, our system can't be messed with the way yours can, so we don't have gerrymandering and stuff like that.
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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2004, 01:47:52 pm »

I think Puerto Rico should become a state.

They would finally pay taxes, and I believe they would be a swing state. They're liberal on issues while they're conservative in their heritage.

And we should add the Virgin Islands to Puerto Rico and have it be the same state!
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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2004, 01:53:21 pm »

I don't think you realize how long it takes to do that. It took Roe several years before the law was passed (and by the way, the "Roe" in Roe vs. Wade is now pro-life and Catholic). Further, not all of the seante is pro-life. About 85% of the republicans and 4% of the democrats vote pro-life. In the house it's more, with 81% of republicans and 21% of democrats voting pro-life.

How convenient of her...  she got her abortion and now she's pro-life...  she should have the decency to allow other women to make the choice she was able to make...  I don't respect scumbag hypocrites like her.

Hypocrite? Becuase she converted? Gore used to be pro-life, anti-gay, and very conservative... is he a hypocrite too? Come on. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a hypocrite and radical christian fundamentalist, it seems.
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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2004, 01:55:55 pm »

VI is heavily Democratic and thus not qualified for statehood Smiley

I think Puerto Rico should become a state.

They would finally pay taxes, and I believe they would be a swing state. They're liberal on issues while they're conservative in their heritage.

And we should add the Virgin Islands to Puerto Rico and have it be the same state!
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