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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
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« Reply #700 on: December 25, 2011, 09:49:36 AM »
Layton was born in Quebec, but did not represent a Quebec riding, and was considered by most to be from Toronto. If you know a simple way, without writing a paragraph, I can explain that Mulcair is the first real "Quebecker" to have a shot, then please, let me know.
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« Reply #701 on: December 25, 2011, 09:54:08 AM »
« Edited: December 25, 2011, 10:05:01 AM by Parson Brown (TEDDY) »
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Updated to reflect the lack of any pushback on the idea that Topp is no longer on top.
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« Reply #702 on: December 26, 2011, 05:10:17 PM »
Mulcair interview.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/race+Things+have+turned+around+underdog+Thomas+Mulcair+leadership+race/5910505/story.html
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« Reply #703 on: December 26, 2011, 07:09:37 PM »
"Underdog"? "Finally turned around"? That headline is totally incorrect. As are the temperament claims. After two consecutive weak and indecisive Liberal leaders, the center and left-wing voters in Canada will have a decisive and strong leader like Mulcair to look forward to.
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« Reply #704 on: December 26, 2011, 08:19:45 PM »
I've updated this thingy I made
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« Reply #705 on: December 26, 2011, 08:37:06 PM »
Teddy, I'm liking the chart.

Holmes: Hence why the Grits need to choose wisely. No one knows much about the race's state, since there's no reliable polling. Agreed on the headline. Mulcair, fairly or unfairly, has a reputation for not only being unable to suffer fools gladly but also very high-octane. NDP culture has never produced a high-octane leader.
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« Reply #706 on: December 27, 2011, 03:33:29 AM »
Define "high octane"
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« Reply #707 on: December 27, 2011, 03:52:23 AM »
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« Reply #708 on: December 27, 2011, 09:39:13 AM »
That's n-Octane. Wink
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« Reply #709 on: December 27, 2011, 11:39:09 AM »

Intense. Very intense.
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« Reply #710 on: December 27, 2011, 11:51:52 AM »
Layton?
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« Reply #711 on: December 27, 2011, 11:53:23 AM »

As intense as Mulcair? Not IMO.
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« Reply #712 on: December 27, 2011, 12:17:41 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFssYGITQhw
this kind of intense?

or this kind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBl8Ddsaf4U
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« Reply #713 on: December 27, 2011, 05:55:11 PM »
This kind, starting at the one-minute mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im2UvBs_gfs
and this kind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ-25HEkgi0
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« Reply #714 on: December 27, 2011, 06:07:58 PM »
Oh look, it's Boulerice and Boivin! They didn't seem to have a problem getting behind Mulcair back then when he was the only elected official in Quebec and was working to get them elected.
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« Reply #715 on: December 27, 2011, 06:40:55 PM »
Oh wait, wrong link.  The first one should've been this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c66slmBWOmI&feature=related
start at about one minute.
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« Reply #716 on: December 27, 2011, 07:53:19 PM »
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Oh look, it's Boulerice and Boivin! They didn't seem to have a problem getting behind Mulcair back then when he was the only elected official in Quebec and was working to get them elected.

Loyalties change. Topp also had a hand in the Quebec strategy, don't forget.
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« Reply #717 on: December 27, 2011, 07:53:49 PM »

Still, I do need to see that movie; but I don't see the intensity? sorry. Don't get me wrong, I like Mulcair, but I just don't see what you are talking about.
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« Reply #718 on: December 28, 2011, 09:58:17 AM »

This graph is amazing... but can you let us know how you were able to plot each candidate?
I'm somewhat surprised Topp isn't on the left of Jack after his admirable "tax the rich" stance... my joke is i'm surprised hes not in the same square as jake LOL ... a joke, not necessarily a good one Tongue
My impression are that Cullen can't be that left wing if he wants joing candidates with the Liberals? and Just because Mulcair wants less weight of Labour within the party does that make him so polar to Nash who was a negotiator and president but that shouldn't automatically place her in their most favoured square.
Anywho, just looking for how you plotted the candidates... and i'm sure its fluid
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« Reply #719 on: December 28, 2011, 04:53:41 PM »
« Edited: December 28, 2011, 05:32:56 PM by Peternerdman »
Nash actually seems to be making herself into, in the words of The Star, a practical radical.  At the debate, she was talking about bridging the gaps between business and labor (sorry, labour lol we Americans are so weird with spelling) and "combining their interests."  But the way she is talking about making the economy an NDP strength rather than a weakness seems to resemble Topp, but with more charisma.  
And to revise my original order: Nash would now be my first choice, Saganash the second, and Cullen the third.  That is, how I'd vote if I lived in Canada, and were an NDP member lol.  Here's a link to the article.  
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1077919--walkom-peggy-nash-pitches-a-pragmatic-radicalism-to-her-ndp
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« Reply #720 on: December 28, 2011, 05:07:12 PM »
Right now my ballot will be as follows:

1) Paul Dewar
2) Niki Ashton
3) Romeo Saganash
4) Peggy Nash
5) Martin Singh
6) Nathan Cullen
7) Thomas Mulcair
Cool Brian Topp
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« Reply #721 on: December 28, 2011, 06:18:49 PM »
1. Mulcair
2. Nash
3. Dewar
4. Saganash
5. Ashton
6. Cullen
7. Singh
8. Topp

An aside - Hatman, since I have signatures turned off, whenever I see your posts, I think to myself "I don't remember posting that" until I realize... Smiley
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« Reply #722 on: December 28, 2011, 06:56:04 PM »
Assuming I were an NDP member, I'd probably go:

1- Ashton, largely because she's good looking
2- Dewar
<gap>
3- Saganash
4- Cullen
5- Nash
6- Topp
7- Singh
8- Mulcair
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« Reply #723 on: December 28, 2011, 07:19:37 PM »
« Edited: December 28, 2011, 07:48:30 PM by TheNewTeddy (TEDDY) »
1 - Mulcair
(gap)
2 - uh. Dewar?
3 - Topp um
4 - Saganash
5 - Cullen
6 - Singh
7 - Nash
(gap)
8 - Ashton
but srsly, I dont like Ashton

edit - she seems noting more than her "good looks" and "youth". - she does not influience me to vote NDP at all.
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« Reply #724 on: December 28, 2011, 09:28:39 PM »
Battery acid is a better alternative to Topp.
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