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« on: August 28, 2011, 06:20:17 pm »
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to the White House?

I might have to go with Al Gore but Ross Perot, Bob Dole, John McCain, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Stevenson and Thomas E Dewey are up there. Henry Clay but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 06:39:41 pm »
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... but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.

Change that to "pre 21st century candidate" and I agree.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 07:07:22 pm »
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 08:49:48 pm »
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Henry Clay. Nuff said.
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2011, 11:02:13 pm »
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 He's the only major party candidate that has never had a biography written about him.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 11:31:43 pm »
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Henry Clay. Nuff said.

I said about how ignorant most are when it comes to politics and history. I willing to bet Robert Dole is more known by the general public then Henry Clay since Dole has appeared in commercials and tv shows.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2011, 12:38:54 am »
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     Joe Republic is right, most people don't really have long-term memory of politics. The answer would probably be John McCain, maybe John Kerry or Al Gore. Definitely nobody before them.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2011, 12:51:32 am »
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John McCain.
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2011, 01:08:53 am »
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Alton B. Parker

 He's the only major party candidate that has never had a biography written about him.

If I know about him, then it's not important if others do.
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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2011, 04:20:11 am »
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Probably Al Gore.
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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2011, 08:46:09 am »
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If we amend it to "never won," then JFK.
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2011, 08:46:47 am »
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If we amend it to "never won," then JFK.

What?
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2011, 08:47:38 am »
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If we amend it to "never won," then JFK.

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Probably a 1960 election conspiracy. Would fit the poster.
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2011, 10:33:08 am »
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He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2011, 10:50:05 am »
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He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2011, 10:51:21 am »
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He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

You can't say 2004 was stolen.
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2011, 11:18:45 am »
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He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

You can't say 2004 was stolen.

You can't really say either was stolen....but there are people who think Ohio was stolen in 2004.

Al Gore or John McCain.

Historically, William Jennings Bryan is the first person that comes to mind....I admit I forgot all about Henry Clay.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2011, 11:51:21 am »
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He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

You can't say 2004 was stolen.
Well, 2000 was stolen, but only hacks think 2004 was stolen.
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2011, 12:12:34 pm »
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Even if you believe the conspiracy about Illinois and Texas in 1960, JFK won the popular vote by a larger margin than those two states flipped to Nixon and if they hadn't stolen the race, it would have been a travesty of the electoral process a la 2000.


The only other election besides 2000 that can truly be called stolen in US history without bias hackery is 1876.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2011, 12:21:21 pm »
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Even if you believe the conspiracy about Illinois and Texas in 1960, JFK won the popular vote by a larger margin than those two states flipped to Nixon and if they hadn't stolen the race, it would have been a travesty of the electoral process a la 2000.


The only other election besides 2000 that can truly be called stolen in US history without bias hackery is 1876.


And don't forget the stolen election of 1888. Combine that with 1876 and 2000, the only three elections to have the popular vote lose to the EC winner.


And can we not ruined my thread by talking about stolen elections. If you want to chat about that subject try starting a thread about it.

And good choice lowtech redneck. I hadn't thought about him but a very good choice right there for William Bryan.
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2011, 02:02:51 pm »
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^ You forgot 1824.
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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2011, 02:22:48 pm »
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^ You forgot 1824.
Yes I did. Thank you for that election too.
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2011, 03:58:30 pm »
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Back on topic,, I would like to mention Walter Mondale as another name to the list.
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2011, 04:40:19 pm »
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Dead people didnt rise from the grave to vote in 2000 like in 1960 Wink
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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2011, 05:02:24 pm »
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1888 was not stolen.  Cleveland won the South virtually uncontested while Harrison won his states by smaller margins, thus Cleveland ended up with more PV.

1876 was a backroom political boss deal to let Hayes be President so the Democrats would get considerations in Congress and was a large part of the reason the electoral college in each state is now allocated directly on the popular vote winner instead of letting electors have a legitimate say in how they vote.

As for your thread topic, I would have to agree with above.  William Jennings Bryan was basically a celebrity in his day.  The only modern loser to hold true national name recognition at time of declaration of candidacy (and not be a VP like HHH, Gore or Mondale) was H. Ross Perot.
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