The Atlas Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts

[Wonkish1]

Feel free to report me if you really feel insulted.

(Though strictly speaking I said 'seem', so really that's only about your online persona, not about 'you yourself', and all that stuff, you know, but yeah seriously, feel free to report me.)

Maybe I'm not as pathetic as some people on here in reporting every time someone tries to "hurt my feelings." And "seem" or not I've been infracted for much less. I've twice got nailed for it being "implied".

[Хahar 🤔]

So Wonkish "doesn't understand the culture" of Brazil when he states that Obama's positions are to the left of Dilma Rouseff's (factually accurate), but when certain types compare US politics to foreign countries and say sh!t like "Obama would be a Tory and Michelle Bachmann would be a BNP supporter!" (which are, actually in this case, laughably false), they clearly have a wonderful understanding of the respective cultures of both America and whatever country they are comparing it too.

Posting directly into the Deluge, I see. Good work. Saves time for the rest of us.

[Gustaf]

I'm not particularly interested in either the original discussion or the ensuing bitchfest, but I'll note that I always considered it poor form to exit a discussion to post the opponent's replies in one of the mines.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Dilma has proclivities towards allowing the free market to take a greater chunk of the economy while increasing or keeping stable the amount of transfer payments by utilizing the private sector deliver on them. Obama prefers using the public sector to administer, manage, and control the transfer payments and to even in a few instances(student loans, automakers, to some extent banking, to some extent healthcare, etc.) take over parts or all of an industry.

In this particular case "Workers Party" and "Democratic Party" are deceiving. The labels don't point to who is more left than the other, but the records, beliefs, positions, etc. do!

Records and positions don't necessarily perfectly reflect beliefs, though. Dilma's strategy is similar to that pursued by various European socialist parties in the 1960s, and I sincerely hope you wouldn't consider Obama to the left of them. Brazil's economy has also been, relative to expectations, outperforming that of the United States for some time now; Obama's policies are those of somebody in charge of a country that's been in more-or-less-permanent crisis mode for years (hence the bailouts if nothing else). Dilma's aren't.

[Wonkish1]

Dilma has proclivities towards allowing the free market to take a greater chunk of the economy while increasing or keeping stable the amount of transfer payments by utilizing the private sector deliver on them. Obama prefers using the public sector to administer, manage, and control the transfer payments and to even in a few instances(student loans, automakers, to some extent banking, to some extent healthcare, etc.) take over parts or all of an industry.

In this particular case "Workers Party" and "Democratic Party" are deceiving. The labels don't point to who is more left than the other, but the records, beliefs, positions, etc. do!

Records and positions don't necessarily perfectly reflect beliefs, though. Dilma's strategy is similar to that pursued by various European socialist parties in the 1960s, and I sincerely hope you wouldn't consider Obama to the left of them. Brazil's economy has also been, relative to expectations, outperforming that of the United States for some time now; Obama's policies are those of somebody in charge of a country that's been in more-or-less-permanent crisis mode for years (hence the bailouts if nothing else). Dilma's aren't.

Dilma isn't a socialist technocrat. She is a welfare capitalist. They are different things. Socialist technocrats believed that they could deduce all of economic behavior down to a single formula that rested primarily on government spending. A welfare capitalist would prefer to just put as much as they can in the hands of private enterprise(including the administration of welfare itself), but make sure that transfer payments to the underprivileged stay the same or rise.

You can tell the reason why she is this way today is because she got a reputation in Lula's administration as someone who could get things done. When others came up short she delivered. And the reason why she got things done was because she relied on private firms instead of government bureaucrats to carry out the things she wanted. It has been out of that experience that has formed a lot of her views.

In the case of Obama there is no way he would ever let any state function be privatized. Its antithetical to his belief system. And that is regardless of the way the economy is doing here or there.

Lastly, Brazil isn't just kicking our a$$ in growth "relative to expectations" they are in fact just literally kicking our a$$ regardless of expectations. The reason of course has been the 'China bid' for iron ore of which is now slowing down. Brazil's situation is about to change and we'll see pretty quickly whether or not Dilma will start acting like Barack. I wouldn't hold your breath though.

[Хahar 🤔]

Socialist technocrats believed that they could deduce all of economic behavior down to a single formula that rested primarily on government spending.

Somehow I doubt that any serious theorist on the left has ever done this.

[opebo]

I for one believe Wonkish works in Finance. He seems ... that sort of background.

I agree.  I do find it quite believable, though I had always heard that such people 'worked 18 hour days'; thus his presence here casts doubt on either the 'hard working' myth about the financier, or his claim to be one.

Then again isn't he in Wisconsin?  I think the only 'finance' people in a state like that are insurance salesmen.

[Wonkish1]

Socialist technocrats believed that they could deduce all of economic behavior down to a single formula that rested primarily on government spending.

Somehow I doubt that any serious theorist on the left has ever done this.

Well you doubted wrong! To the extent that the politicians just listened to those people instead of were those people is a different matter. But it is in fact true.

[© tweed]

Socialist technocrats believed that they could deduce all of economic behavior down to a single formula that rested primarily on government spending.

Somehow I doubt that any serious theorist on the left has ever done this.

Well you doubted wrong! To the extent that the politicians just listened to those people instead of were those people is a different matter. But it is in fact true.

could you name one instance of these socialist technocrats and their single formula and etc.?  because it sounds awesome to me.  reminds me of the last paragraph or so of Part I of Brothers Karamazov, where Father Paissy tells Alyosha that scientists have only studied the parts but ignored the whole..

[Wonkish1]

I for one believe Wonkish works in Finance. He seems ... that sort of background.

I agree.  I do find it quite believable, though I had always heard that such people 'worked 18 hour days'; thus his presence here casts doubt on either the 'hard working' myth about the financier, or his claim to be one.

Then again isn't he in Wisconsin?  I think the only 'finance' people in a state like that are insurance salesmen.

I don't work in I-Banking(those are your consistent 18 hour day people) which is sell side. I work on the buy side which is very different. When I showed up at my firm, which is a small boutique firm, I consistently put in about 70 hour weeks. After the first couple years things calmed down considerably and now it usually averages about ~40 territory, but for the last several months my workload has dropped off a cliff. Its starting to pick up a little bit now though. And there are a few events we are looking to and when they happen you probably wont be seeing much of me on here really at all.

I'm not commenting on where I live as it relates to Wisconsin or not. I can assure you the city I work in has more than 1 boutique financial firm.

[Wonkish1]

Socialist technocrats believed that they could deduce all of economic behavior down to a single formula that rested primarily on government spending.

Somehow I doubt that any serious theorist on the left has ever done this.

Well you doubted wrong! To the extent that the politicians just listened to those people instead of were those people is a different matter. But it is in fact true.

could you name one instance of these socialist technocrats and their single formula and etc.?  because it sounds awesome to me.  reminds me of the last paragraph or so of Part I of Brothers Karamazov, where Father Paissy tells Alyosha that scientists have only studied the parts but ignored the whole..

Here's one!

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Hinduism is one of the most regressive major religions in existence. Compared to it, even Islam has redeeming features because in Islam, all the faithful are theoretically equal spiritually. But for the untouchables, even if the shadow of an untouchable falls on a brahmin, the brahmin must wash himself afterwards or they are considered polluted.

He's just trolling at this stage...

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Everything posted by J. J. in this thread from this page on:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=145685.30

[CARLHAYDEN]

Obama's socialism is just as real as Wonkish1's intelligence.

Thank you for you admiration or Workish1's intelligence, and admitting to Obama's socialism.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Obama's socialism is just as real as Wonkish1's intelligence.

Thank you for you admiration or Workish1's intelligence, and admitting to Obama's socialism.

Convenient this was posted directly into the Deluge.

[Wonkish1]

Obama's socialism is just as real as Wonkish1's intelligence.

Thank you for you admiration or Workish1's intelligence, and admitting to Obama's socialism.

Convenient this was posted directly into the Deluge.

Convenient that you even type in this thread because practically everything you type on here belongs in this thread.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Obama's socialism is just as real as Wonkish1's intelligence.

Thank you for you admiration or Workish1's intelligence, and admitting to Obama's socialism.

Convenient this was posted directly into the Deluge.

Convenient that you even type in this thread because practically everything you type on here belongs in this thread.

[Wonkish1]

Obama's socialism is just as real as Wonkish1's intelligence.

Thank you for you admiration or Workish1's intelligence, and admitting to Obama's socialism.

Convenient this was posted directly into the Deluge.

Convenient that you even type in this thread because practically everything you type on here belongs in this thread.

I contribute a hell of a lot more useful and factually based information here than you do, buddy! Look on the econ sub forum and then point to me anything you've posted that even comes close.

If you can't I would probably suggest you can it!

[Phony Moderate]

Exclamation marks mean me win!

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I think Wonkish should continue to post directly in this thread. Exclusively.

[The Mikado]

Stop it, all of you.

[Oakvale]

I apologise for posting Wonkish's post in the thread. While I do feel it was a ridiculous suggestion - incidentally, I wasn't debating him, although I would agree that had I been it would have been bad form to do so - I should have known it would ignite a sh!tstorm.

For what it's worth, I'd also like to apologise personally to Wonkish. While I do feel he can be rude at times - just my opinion - that's no excuse for me to respond insultingly. Sorry.

[Wonkish1]

I apologise for posting Wonkish's post in the thread. While I do feel it was a ridiculous suggestion - incidentally, I wasn't debating him, although I would agree that had I been it would have been bad form to do so - I should have known it would ignite a sh!tstorm.

For what it's worth, I'd also like to apologise personally to Wonkish. While I do feel he can be rude at times - just my opinion - that's no excuse for me to respond insultingly. Sorry.

Apology accepted and I'll extend my apologies for being a little rude to you at times. I try to only be blunt and harsh to A) comments that leave the opportunity, but also B) to posters who act in ways that deserve it. Given the comment above I can safely say I misjudged you. So...

Your getting added to my nice poster list. I'll try to refrain from any rudeness to you in the future and if I mistakenly respond too harshly to one of your posts let me know.

And I wish you a Merry Christmas!

[Oakvale]

I apologise for posting Wonkish's post in the thread. While I do feel it was a ridiculous suggestion - incidentally, I wasn't debating him, although I would agree that had I been it would have been bad form to do so - I should have known it would ignite a sh!tstorm.

For what it's worth, I'd also like to apologise personally to Wonkish. While I do feel he can be rude at times - just my opinion - that's no excuse for me to respond insultingly. Sorry.

Apology accepted and I'll extend my apologies for being a little rude to you at times. I try to only be blunt and harsh to A) comments that leave the opportunity, but also B) to posters who act in ways that deserve it. Given the comment above I can safely say I misjudged you. So...

Your getting added to my nice poster list. I'll try to refrain from any rudeness to you in the future and if I mistakenly respond too harshly to one of your posts let me know.

And I wish you a Merry Christmas!

Thanks, you too!

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

This thread has been violated beyond any recognition.