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« Reply #425 on: March 21, 2013, 11:51:49 AM »

By the way, I don't really know what Al thinks of this, but the last couple of pages aren't really about the election, so I suppose we should move to the International discussion subforum. I defer the decision to more experienced posters and the moderator of course.

Aren't the most recent posts speculations on how the vote went and why the cardinals voted the way they did? That seems to fit the board rather well.

Of course there is bound to be discussions that exceed the strict frame of the election, but calling them off-topic is a bit of a stretch.

Exactly. And remember, reliable details from the conclave may take a while to emerge.
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« Reply #426 on: March 21, 2013, 02:55:24 PM »
« Edited: March 21, 2013, 03:00:30 PM by Franknburger »

Apparently Franz Jalics (one of the 2 priests that Bergoglio supposedly denounced) issued a statement in the German Jesuits website where he categorically denies Bergoglio having any involvment in his kidnapping.
He says that at first the7y were inclined to think someone denounced them but later, in the 90's, he realised it wasn't the case (at least as far as Bergoglio is concerned).

Here is the statement in Germany, if someone could translate at least part of it, he'll be doing us a huge favor (don't really trust Google Translate Tongue)

http://www.jesuiten.org/aktuelles/details/article/erganzende-erklarung-von-pater-franz-jalics-sj.html

Alright, here a translation for the non- German speakers (I skip the introductory first paragraph):
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While the statement is pretty clear in denying Bergoglio's direct involvement, it does not comment on his role with regards to the "rumours". One wonders why Franz Jalics in this context separately speaks of the "Jesuit community" (headed by Bergoglio) and "the church".
The statement also does not include any comments on the allegation in the Daily Mail article, Bergoglio's direct intervention had resulted in Argentine authorities denying renewal of Jalic's passport.

I furthermore read Jalic's initial statement of March 15. It gives a more detailed description of the situation before and after his arrest, without any reference to Bergoglio other than that he had agreed to Jalic taking residence in the slums. The March 15 statement closes:
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In short: Jalics was not happy about Bergoglio's role in the events, but has forgiven him. Whatever Bergoglio did (or did not do), it was not so grave that Jalics considers it as a fundamental burden to papacy.
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« Reply #427 on: March 23, 2013, 11:52:09 AM »

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« Reply #428 on: March 23, 2013, 03:00:23 PM »

Reminds me of...

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« Reply #429 on: March 23, 2013, 03:26:54 PM »

Yeah,  you can see why he retired.
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« Reply #430 on: March 25, 2013, 03:57:00 PM »

True, Benedict really seems to have been deteriorating. Which is not unusual in a man of his age, of course. Still, a shame of such a great mind. (Always a very cerebral person, Ratzinger, probably the most intellectually achieved pope since early christianity).
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