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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2011, 09:59:11 pm »
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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $3000 per month.
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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2011, 10:00:01 pm »
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The amendment has passed.
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2011, 10:04:42 pm »
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Section 5 Clause 5 is amended as follows:
Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
 a) 75% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of his/her job.
 b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of his/her job.
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2011, 10:27:41 pm »
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Section 5 Clause 5 is amended as follows:
Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
 a) 75% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of his/her job.
 b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of his/her job.

Senators have 24 hours to object to this amendment.
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2011, 09:39:17 pm »
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Bgwah, did you include the contents of Amendment 44:41 into the text, when you created this thread?

The section listed in the amendment was misnumbered (7 instead of 6) but it was labeled as Elderly Insurance. The contents of the Elderly Insurance section reflect the pre-amendment text.
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2011, 10:13:44 pm »
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I don't know... Do you have a link?
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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2011, 10:37:05 pm »
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http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=137659.0


Top of the list under the amendment tracker. Thank heavens I included the links, since the old thread is locked, getting them isn't possible anymore.
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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2011, 12:14:19 am »
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I updated Section 6 in the original post(s). Does it look right now?

(the most recent amendment has also passed without objection)
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2011, 09:57:18 pm »
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Section 6, clause 9 is amended as follows:
9. The minimum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.



I modified the wording slightly because the previous version was awkward and confusing. I also took out "full old age" so that we don't have a situation where partially/early pensioners get more then those who are getting the full benefit, which was a possibility with the previous text.

If anyone has any other ideas to further improve the text here or in any other place, please speak up.

We finally got the information needed on the health care spending and possible tax alternatives and I expect to have an amendment by Friday, possibly even tomorrow dealing with the Health care section.
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2011, 10:47:27 pm »
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I want it noted for the public I spent over two hours working on stupid tax stuff for Yankee. Tongue
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2011, 11:00:21 pm »
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I LOST MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Synopsis:
"I want it noted for the public, that the tax ideas were actually shua's."


"Which reminds me, since you clearly have free time now, formulate a review on the two small items I suggested. They should be in one of those PMs I sent you." Tongue
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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2011, 11:04:50 pm »
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I don't recall those. Tongue
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2011, 11:34:25 pm »
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In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2011, 01:08:50 am »
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Friendly amendment:

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Section 6, clause 9 is amended as follows:
9. The minimum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.

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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2011, 08:48:18 pm »
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I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.
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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2011, 11:43:14 pm »
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I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.
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« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2011, 12:13:30 am »
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Friendly amendment:

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Section 6, clause 9 is amended as follows:
9. The minimum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.

Senators have 24 hours to object.

The amendment has passed.
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« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2011, 12:47:41 am »
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I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

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Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2011, 01:03:56 am »
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I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.

Antonio deserves all the credit. He took on a massive undertaking even without the translation issues and kinks and so forth. No one person could be expected to do even half as much with perfection, and it showed that really Senators have to engage in peer review more, use the collective knowledge to fill in the gaps and correct the mistakes. This took far too long to occur on a mass basis. One person would take a crack at it till he was burned out and then it would languish. The other major obstacle was lack of a true evaluation by a GM to give us direction, which we finally got in July (Marokai Blue to rescue with that "30 minute" review Tongue).
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2011, 01:51:40 am »
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I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.

Oh if it's going swimmingly then I'm sure you guys don't need me anymore then.

Good luck everyone.
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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2011, 08:37:28 pm »
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I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

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Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141263.0
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2011, 09:14:02 pm »
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I am offering two separate amendments here because while the actually changes might be controversial, the implementation of whatever change that is enventually used will almost undoubtedly conflict with Section 8.
I offer the following amendment as an addition to the current Section 8:

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Section 8, Clause 5 shall be included as follows:
5. The terms of this section shall not be applicable to Section 4 of this act, titled "Health Insurance".



I offer the following Amendment to Section 4 to deal with the Underfunded issue in HC:
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Section 4: Health Insurance
1. The present 1.45% medicare payroll tax levied on both employees and employers is renamed the Health Care Payroll Tax
2. The Health Care Payroll Tax rate applied to both employers and employees shall rise from 1.45% to 3% on January 1st, 2012, from 3% to 4.5% on April 1st, 2012, from 4.5% to 6.0% on July 1st, 2012, and finally from 6.0% to 6.5% on September 1st, 2012.
3. The rest of the Atlasian National Health Care Act shall remain unchanged.

Clauses 1 and 2, shall be inserted as the third and fourth bulleted items in clause (c.), of Section 2, of the Atlasian National Health Care Act


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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2011, 09:30:22 pm »
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There is certainly a lot of great ideas here to be considered as part of a mixed package. This issue in and of itself could and probably should consitute a separate bill. I have gone ahead and offered shua and I's preposals as amendments this. If passed we would still have till January (and it will still only be 3% at that point) to deal with this in more balance fashion before any changes occur, and at the same time ensure that it does get done and relatively quickly.  With the lessons of how long this bill took to get done, I think having a looming deadline is a wise course, as that would put pressure to ensure that a more complete overhaul of the Health care system is accomplished and somewhat quickly.
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2011, 11:42:52 pm »
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I am offering two separate amendments here because while the actually changes might be controversial, the implementation of whatever change that is enventually used will almost undoubtedly conflict with Section 8.
I offer the following amendment as an addition to the current Section 8:

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Section 8, Clause 5 shall be included as follows:
5. The terms of this section shall not be applicable to Section 4 of this act, titled "Health Insurance".



I offer the following Amendment to Section 4 to deal with the Underfunded issue in HC:
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Section 4: Health Insurance
1. The present 1.45% medicare payroll tax levied on both employees and employers is renamed the Health Care Payroll Tax
2. The Health Care Payroll Tax rate applied to both employers and employees shall rise from 1.45% to 3% on January 1st, 2012, from 3% to 4.5% on April 1st, 2012, from 4.5% to 6.0% on July 1st, 2012, and finally from 6.0% to 6.5% on September 1st, 2012.
3. The rest of the Atlasian National Health Care Act shall remain unchanged.

Clauses 1 and 2, shall be inserted as the third and fourth bulleted items in clause (c.), of Section 2, of the Atlasian National Health Care Act




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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2011, 11:55:36 pm »
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The amendments are passed.

Are we going to be ready for a final vote soon?
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