SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It appears to be so. Page 19 was fairly accurate. The only real change was Napoleon's amendment getting rid of the minor insurance thing which occured on page 21 or 22. Between the 20's and page 35 or 36 when I offered 44:41 and 45:3, nothing really changed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oh yes, back to the UI stuff again. We spent a month going in circles on that, while the pension issue got resolved over a period of five days.


We need to find something that can garner support, instead of voting on different amendments only to see them all fail at the end like before.

c-e need to go for sure, but do we leave the percentages at 90 and 80 for a and b, or should they be dropped to say 75-80 and 60-65? 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I accept the amendment as friendly since we definately need fewer brackets in the UI section.


I might offer an amendment later to the two remaining brackets, to reduce the percentages slightly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We have dealt with most of the issues raised in Marokai's late July review of this bill. We reduced Section 4 to just preserve the current health care structure, we have made some changes to Section 5 (underlying amendment which is waiting declaration of passage), but some more might be necessary. The parenthood section was removed prior to MB's review. The Pension section was improved both to deal with costs and to include an implementation strategy.

The current items remaining, is dealing with the Health care underfundeness (we are waiting for a response from the GM on potential tax increases, their size etc etc), and any further changes to the UI section that are necessary.

If I were to propose another amendment to UI it would be by the end of tomorrow.


I can't give an exact date on the health care funding issue, b/c I don't know when I will get a response.  I hope it will be soon, because the sooner we get this bill done and gone, the better.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I offer the following amendment to modify the current text

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I am willing to negotiate somewhat in the up direction here, if necessary.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Not an amendment yet, but what do people think of these percentages? They are lower then the current text, somewhat higher then shua's and a fairly decent bump up both from RL and current Atlasian levels. 

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

$3,000 is within my range (actually I think it's the highest end of it )

I wouldn't object Fuzzy's amendment, thus.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I reckon it has.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Bgwah? That was a yes if you are confused.



After this, I will offer an amendment on the UI percentages.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I offer the following amendment:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Bgwah, did you include the contents of Amendment 44:41 into the text, when you created this thread?

The section listed in the amendment was misnumbered (7 instead of 6) but it was labeled as Elderly Insurance. The contents of the Elderly Insurance section reflect the pre-amendment text.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=137659.0


Top of the list under the amendment tracker. Thank heavens I included the links, since the old thread is locked, getting them isn't possible anymore.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I offer the following amendment:

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I modified the wording slightly because the previous version was awkward and confusing. I also took out "full old age" so that we don't have a situation where partially/early pensioners get more then those who are getting the full benefit, which was a possibility with the previous text.

If anyone has any other ideas to further improve the text here or in any other place, please speak up.

We finally got the information needed on the health care spending and possible tax alternatives and I expect to have an amendment by Friday, possibly even tomorrow dealing with the Health care section.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I LOST MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Synopsis:
"I want it noted for the public, that the tax ideas were actually shua's."


"Which reminds me, since you clearly have free time now, formulate a review on the two small items I suggested. They should be in one of those PMs I sent you."

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

^^^

Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.

Antonio deserves all the credit. He took on a massive undertaking even without the translation issues and kinks and so forth. No one person could be expected to do even half as much with perfection, and it showed that really Senators have to engage in peer review more, use the collective knowledge to fill in the gaps and correct the mistakes. This took far too long to occur on a mass basis. One person would take a crack at it till he was burned out and then it would languish. The other major obstacle was lack of a true evaluation by a GM to give us direction, which we finally got in July (Marokai Blue to rescue with that "30 minute" review ).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

^^^

Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141263.0

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am offering two separate amendments here because while the actually changes might be controversial, the implementation of whatever change that is enventually used will almost undoubtedly conflict with Section 8.
I offer the following amendment as an addition to the current Section 8:

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I offer the following Amendment to Section 4 to deal with the Underfunded issue in HC:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is certainly a lot of great ideas here to be considered as part of a mixed package. This issue in and of itself could and probably should consitute a separate bill. I have gone ahead and offered shua and I's preposals as amendments this. If passed we would still have till January (and it will still only be 3% at that point) to deal with this in more balance fashion before any changes occur, and at the same time ensure that it does get done and relatively quickly.  With the lessons of how long this bill took to get done, I think having a looming deadline is a wise course, as that would put pressure to ensure that a more complete overhaul of the Health care system is accomplished and somewhat quickly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Probably, Bgwah.


But I am kind of mad that no one commented on this:

In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.

Probably be one more thing to address in a separate bill, later. Probably be more efficient to do it that way as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I offer the following Amendment:

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No sense creating an agency for a program we removed from the text (parenthood insurance).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Damn it, there are more problems in Sections 1, 2, and 3. Both from leftovers of the parenthold Insurance thing, and the health care administration that won't be needed as we are keeping the current systems.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We need to remove one more agency from Section 1, Clause 4. And then take every reference to "The five agencies" and instead say "the three agencies" in Sections 2 and 3. I can have an amendment by tomorrow sometime.