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« on: July 03, 2012, 06:22:54 PM »
« edited: July 03, 2012, 06:47:27 PM by OAM »

1908



President William J. Bryan (R-NE)/Vice Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY): 200 - 51.0%
Governor John Albert Johnson (D-MN)/Senator John W. Kern (D-IN):150 - 47.9%
Other - 1.1%


The Democrats attempt to counter the Republican strategy, but Republican policy continues to be popular.  They nominate a charismatic but moderate governor from the Mid-West, John Albert Johnson.  However, to placate the old guard wing of the party John W. Kern is nominated Vice President.  Despite a spectacular campaign that sees significant splitting of the working class vote as well as the pick up of the recently admitted Oaklaholma, the Democrats lose narrowly, unable to breach Bryan's popularity.  Many blame the fear of the more radical Kern gaining office for the loss, fears which prove very well founded when Johnson dies in 1909.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 08:15:08 PM »

Most definitely.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 11:37:29 PM »

Are there rules for how many people we have to wait btw?  I'm slowly reading the rest of the thread and may not have seen them if they were there.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 11:46:40 PM »
« Edited: July 04, 2012, 12:19:28 AM by OAM »

1916



President Judson Harmon (D-OH)/Vice President Champ Clark (D-MO):  240 EV - 52.7%
Senator Robert M. La Follette, Sr. (R-WI)/Judge William Howard Taft (R-OH):  152 EV - 46.1%
Other - 1.2%

The election of 1916 was dominated by the outbreak of war in Europe.  The Democrats continued to take a staunch isolationist stance in contrast to former President Roosevelt's policies.  The Republicans believing they made a critical error at the 1912 convention accept La Follette back into the fold, absorbing a good deal of the plains progressive movement with him.  While attempting to run a campaign focusing on domestic issues, there's no avoiding the polarization, and this boost fails to push the Republicans back to the White House.  Some blame the VP choice, much as the Dems did in 1908.  The push for the Atlantic regional boost didn't come through either.
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 05:03:57 PM »

Ummm, British Dixie... The reps didn't win 1920...
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 10:52:33 PM »

They won the PV, but not the EV, unless that's a typo.  Reps 233 to Dems 240.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 11:43:56 PM »

They won the PV, but not the EV, unless that's a typo.  Reps 233 to Dems 240.
Ah, I did not see that. I think thats a typo.

Yes, that was a typo! My bad, I apologize.




Ah, okay.  I didn't count it all myself.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 01:14:10 AM »
« Edited: July 05, 2012, 01:44:59 AM by OAM »

1940



General Douglas MacArthur (R-NY)/Former Secretary of War Henry Breckinridge (R-IL) - 283, 51.1% PV
President Robert Taft (D-OH)/Vice President Styles Bridges (D-NH) - 113 EV, 48.3% PV
Other - 0.6% PV

Following a series of border skirmishes over the winter of 1939-1940, General Douglas MacArthur rises to prominence.  The general has much charisma, and is nominated by the Republicans who take a full on war hawk stance.  Slowly public opinion changes into one of revanchism, spurned on by MacArthur and some newspaper publishers, notably the Chicago Times.  On election day, one for one the parties are very evenly matched.  However, the strongest anti-war pockets are no match for a general wave of support for MacArthur
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 01:48:28 AM »
« Edited: July 05, 2012, 01:54:39 AM by OAM »

As an added comment, this would have been a fun one for the 2.5% thread.  Here's what happens if I flip the states I considered swing states.  (Did not edit the Confederacy out, because it's not a real entry, new totals are 288-108 dems favor)

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 08:08:06 PM »

I have updated this list, cause I'm bored and don't want to go twice in a row.

16. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL), 1861-1863
17. William Seward (R-NY), 1863-1865
18. George McClellan (D-NJ), 1865-1873
19. Horatio Seymour (D-NY), 1873-1877
20. Thomas Hendricks (D-IN), 1877-1881

21. John Sherman (R-OH), 1881-1889
22. Chester Arthur (R-NY), 1889-1891
23. Robert Lincoln (R-IL), 1891-1893

24. Isaac Gray (D-IN), 1893-1897
25. William Allison (R-IA), 1897-1905
26. William J. Bryan (R-NE), 1905-1910
27. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY), 1910-1913

28. Judson Harmon (D-OH), 1913-1921
29. Robert M. La Follette (R-WI), 1921-1925
30. Al Smith (D-NY), 1925-1929
31. Joseph France (R-MD), 1929-1937
32. Robert Taft (D-OH), 1937-1941
33. Douglas MacArthur (R-NY), 1941-
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 11:35:59 PM »
« Edited: July 06, 2012, 12:02:17 AM by OAM »

1944



Senator Everett Dirksen (D-IL)/Mayor Wendell Willkie (D-NY) 205 electoral votes, 50.3% of the popular vote
President Douglas MacArthur (R-NY)/Vice President Henry Breckenridge (R-IL) 188 electoral votes, 48.9% of the popular vote

While the US managed to avoid tangling itself into the greater war in Europe, aid began to pour in... to the South.  Friendly nations were unwilling to aid the US without a commitment, but the other side of the conflict had no such issues with aiding the Confederates.  The front bogs down in Central Texas and Tennesee, with neither former state fleeing from its seat of government.  MacArthur attempts to run for a third term, but people grow tired of the pompous General.  The Democrats run outspoken Senator Everett Dirksen of Illinois against him on a platform of peace with moderate gains.  Some are put off by not pushing for total victory, but the vote narrowly comes down in the Democrats favor.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2012, 06:51:22 PM »
« Edited: July 06, 2012, 07:19:18 PM by OAM »

1964



Governor Nelson Rockefeller (D-NY)/Former Governor Harold Stassen (D-MN) - 230 EV - 52.1% PV
Vice President Henry Jackson (R-WA)/Governor Matthew E. Welsh (R-IN) - 180 EV - 46.0% PV

The Republican administration is popular, but they give the Democrats and issue to harp on with the quick admission of Kentucky in late 1961.  There are some renewed tensions with the Confederacy, as well as internationally, much cooler than in the '40s, but dominating the election of 1964.  The economy is good, but the Democrats rally around popular governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York.  Conversely, the Republicans are splintered by none other than the president.  Around half believe Nixon should seek another term, while the other half want him out, some because of their fears of how close the last election was.  In the end, Nixon is forced out in favor of his Vice President.  Jackson takes advantage of the situation to pick Governor Matthew E. Welsh of Indiana to unify the party with the Populist wing.  It's not enough though, as the disillusion base are swung in Minnesota by Stassen and write in Nixon in record numbers in California.  Those two states total the exact difference in electoral vote, though Michigan and Pennsylvania are both within 1% of having flipped too...
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2012, 07:09:24 PM »

Yeah, I had KY become a state, but VA is still in limbo, so whoever goes after me can decide what happens with it.  Have the map done, now just writing the blurb.
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 07:19:22 PM »
« Edited: July 08, 2012, 07:57:36 PM by OAM »

1972



Senator John M. Ashbrook (D-OH)/Roland Regean (D-CA) - 160 EV/30.4% PV
President Spiro Agnew (R-MD)/Vice President Clifford Case (R-NJ) - 131 EV/38.2% PV
Senator George McGovern (P-SD)/Mayor John Lindsay (P-NY) - 117 EV/26.8% PV

President Agnew proved popular, steering America out of many of its recent problems.  However, politically, the nation was unable to condense back into a two party system in time for the 1972 election.  Many progressives were tired of being folded and split into the major parties again and again, and urged on by former President Rockefeller, were deadset on breaking the electoral system.  And break it did, throwing the election to the house after many states were split to the unfavorite.  The house was much more capable of giving Agnew a reaffirmation, a decision the majority of Americans accepted without complaint, even if he had not been their first choice.



President Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 23 States
Senator John M. Ashbrook (D-OH) - 9 states
Senator George McGovern (P-SD) - 7 states
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2012, 08:18:04 PM »

For the record, I'm not sure what happens to DC in a house vote, I assume they don't get the vote though.
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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2012, 11:03:22 PM »
« Edited: July 08, 2012, 11:25:54 PM by OAM »

1984



Senator Gary Hart (R-CO)/Ambassador Ben Fernandez (R-CA) - 319 EV, 62.1% PV
Senator John Glenn (D-OH)/Representative Jack Kemp (D-NY) - 81 EV, 36.3% PV

President Reagan's second term was marred by the Middle East Crisis, sending gas prices skyrocketing in February of '84.  His administration was both unwilling and unable to act to regain control of the economy.  While some had suggested in '83 that Reagan seek a third term amidst high popularity, he decided not to run again, citing the generic "health reasons" as an excuse.  In his place the Democrats nominated two highly charismatic figures, but who also proved to be easy to attack.

On the part of the Republicans, they finally became the latest party to absorb the Progressives once more.  It would have been enough to seal the deal already, but what truly made '84 a landslide was the Hispanic vote.
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2012, 11:31:41 PM »

16. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL), 1861-1863
17. William Seward (R-NY), 1863-1865
18. George McClellan (D-NJ), 1865-1873
19. Horatio Seymour (D-NY), 1873-1877
20. Thomas Hendricks (D-IN), 1877-1881

21. John Sherman (R-OH), 1881-1889
22. Chester Arthur (R-NY), 1889-1891
23. Robert Lincoln (R-IL), 1891-1893

24. Isaac Gray (D-IN), 1893-1897
25. William Allison (R-IA), 1897-1905
26. William J. Bryan (R-NE), 1905-1910
27. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY), 1910-1913

28. Judson Harmon (D-OH), 1913-1921
29. Robert M. La Follette (R-WI), 1921-1925
30. Al Smith (D-NY), 1925-1929
31. Joseph France (R-MD), 1929-1937
32. Robert Taft (D-OH), 1937-1941
33. Douglas MacArthur (R-NY), 1941-1949
34. Everett Dirksen (D-IL), 1949-1957
35. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA), 1957-1959
36. Richard Nixon (R-CA), 1959-1965
37. Nelson Rockefeller (D-NY), 1965-1969
38. Sprio Agnew (R-MD), 1969-1974
39. Clifford P. Case (R-NJ), 1974-1977

40. Roland Reagan (D-CA), 1977-1985
41. Gary Hart (R-CO), 1985-
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 05:07:55 PM »

Might want to change what state Ron Paul is from?
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 12:52:30 PM »
« Edited: July 10, 2012, 01:44:48 PM by OAM »

1992



Senator Bob Dole (D-KS)/General Alexander Haig (D-PA) - 200 EV/41.5% PV
Vice President Ben Fernandez (R-CA)/Governor Bob Kerrey (R-NB) - 139 EV/29.5% PV
Mr. Ralph Nader (P-CT)/Governor Jerry Brown (P-CA) - 52 EV/27.3% PV

The Republicans were on shaky ground going into 1992, not helped by the fact that Vice President Fernandez won the nomination.  Some contested that he was too old to be an effective candidate.  It was enough to make the progressives nominate a candidate further to the left.  Still, the race was competitive.  Vote splitting and highly localized support for the progressives led to an outright Democratic victory, though, instead of another house vote, despite lack luster candidates from the conservative party.
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2012, 06:19:13 PM »
« Edited: July 12, 2012, 06:43:15 PM by OAM »

2004



President Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)/Vice President Larry Pressler (R-SD) - 249 EV/52.2% PV
Senator John McCain (D-AZ)/Senator Robert C. Smith (D-NJ) - 136 EV/45.7% PV

Chafee's term is considered successful and his popularity is high with Americans.  Overall events are smooth sailing, with no major bumps.  However, there are several high profile social incidents between supporters of the President and those of the Vice-President as lingering tension from the 2000 primaries surfaces.  The Party holds together, and actually fends an attempt by the Democrats to also run a moderate while splitting the vote regionally, but that only means they'll be back with a vengeance in 2008 now that the base is convinced moving further to the right is the answer.
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2012, 08:28:52 PM »
« Edited: July 12, 2012, 08:43:01 PM by OAM »

Heh, normally I wait a little more, but I'll claim, honor of the last election Wink

2012



Governor Tom Vilsack (R-IA)/Senator Dennis Kucinich (R-OH) - 313 EV/60.6% PV
President Hillary Rodham (D-IL)/Vice President Mark Udall (D-CO) - 65 EV.38.1% PV

President Rodham didn't really do anything wrong, per se, but was unable to sell her reforms to the American people during a time of prosperity.  The economy kept on going steady, and foreign affairs were good, so why change what isn't broken?  The Republicans come back with a promise of non-interference... not counting reversing the "needless" new programs.
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2012, 08:45:59 PM »


16. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL), 1861-1863
17. William Seward (R-NY), 1863-1865
18. George McClellan (D-NJ), 1865-1873
19. Horatio Seymour (D-NY), 1873-1877
20. Thomas Hendricks (D-IN), 1877-1881

21. John Sherman (R-OH), 1881-1889
22. Chester Arthur (R-NY), 1889-1891
23. Robert Lincoln (R-IL), 1891-1893

24. Isaac Gray (D-IN), 1893-1897
25. William Allison (R-IA), 1897-1905
26. William J. Bryan (R-NE), 1905-1910
27. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY), 1910-1913

28. Judson Harmon (D-OH), 1913-1921
29. Robert M. La Follette (R-WI), 1921-1925
30. Al Smith (D-NY), 1925-1929
31. Joseph France (R-MD), 1929-1937
32. Robert Taft (D-OH), 1937-1941
33. Douglas MacArthur (R-NY), 1941-1949
34. Everett Dirksen (D-IL), 1949-1957
35. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA), 1957-1959
36. Richard Nixon (R-CA), 1959-1965
37. Nelson Rockefeller (D-NY), 1965-1969
38. Sprio Agnew (R-MD), 1969-1974
39. Clifford P. Case (R-NJ), 1974-1977

40. Roland Reagan (D-CA), 1977-1985
41. Gary Hart (R-CO), 1985-1993
42. Bob Dole (D-KS), 1993-2001
43. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI), 2001-2009
44. Hillary Rodham (D-IL), 2009-2013
45. Tom Vilsack (R-IA), 2013-
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2012, 08:55:11 PM »

The irony of me having Hillary lose in a landslide.... *sigh*....
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2012, 11:19:44 PM »
« Edited: July 13, 2012, 11:45:01 PM by OAM »

Claiming next, and that's an awesome tip, thanks!  Also for anyone wondering how to get orange, put 7 in the first of the three variables

1884



Governor Robert E. Withers (N-VA)/Senator Charles W. Jones (N-FL) - 69 EV/46.0% PV
Senator John Tyler Morgan (S-AL)/Governor Matthew Butler (S-SC) - 51 EV/ 52.3% PV

The Sovereign Party suffers the loss of several of its leaders to natural causes between elections, making the Nationals complacent.  No one really noticed how their strength had built, until on election day Morgan won the popular vote.  Many were shocked, and many more bitter.  For now, it would be business as usual, but come 1890, there would be a reckoning...
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2012, 10:29:46 AM »
« Edited: July 14, 2012, 10:53:51 AM by OAM »

1908



Governor Samuel D. McEnery (N-LA)/Senator Thomas S. Martin (N-VA) - 67 EV/42.3% PV
Senator Augustus Octavius Bacon (S-GA)/Senator Joseph Weldon Bailey (S-TX) - 66 EV/41.1% PV
Governor Charles Allen Culberson (P-TX)/Senator William Hall Milton (P-FL) - 15.5% PV

Tayor's protest paves the way for a minor party to arise, the Populists.  The previous term marked an increased focus on affairs abroad, and while both major parties tried to avoid foreign entanglements, the Populists, in addition to having a domestic platform similar to the Sovereign Party, adopted strick isolationism as a plank.  Oddly, the vote splitting effect is not enough to prevent the election from coming down to one EV.  While political science is in its infancy, many newspapers predict that a straight up two way race would have only resulted in Florida flipping.
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